800m Solved: The Only Way to Run Faster Than Ever

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Marco Arop’s performance at the Paris Olympics challenged long-standing beliefs about the 800-meter race.

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That world record might have been...'assisted'

sertyuik

Do you think that stsrting too slow is potentially sub optimal because you need to run in the outside lanes to catch back up to the race leaders?

whaleroast

I've been wondering this for so long. Why do people not negative split the 800?!?! I've even spoken to elite 800m guys and they're just like 🤷‍♂️, that's what everyone does

NoorKhanNY

Distance runners also have the habit of not being in the gym and completing the basics to train. Honestly the culture is to do a shit ton of intervals and long runs and hope to have god given talent. Speed endurance is key to an middle to long distance even. All distances before the event add up to it..800m need to work on 200m, 300, 100 and so on

allworldzeus

The idea that even pacing of times is important, so much so that it's better to aim for a neg split.

But I think that 800 is the balance, here. Would this strategy really work on something like a 400? On a 200?

I don't think anyone would think to back off on the first 100 of a 200. And even at the 400 level, it's more about getting going and just go. And for a 1600, it's obvious to pace back, but it's that 800 that brings a challenge.

The question is, how long can people really sprint? I think that 400 is right at the limit (and that makes the 400 hurdles the absolute challenge). What this video is basically saying is that you can't sprint 800 m.

flowingafterglow

BiCarbonate loading and beet juice plus a shot of espresso for 0.1sec extra. I love the 800 because it, the 1km bike track TT and 2000m rowing are the lactic acid Queens and Kings.

charlesblithfield

Michael Johnson's PB came the same way. Accidental slow first 100M

squealer

The 800m is about speed, aerobic strength, strategy, effort and (drums please) rhythm. The 800 is like golf, meaning a good golfer has to be consistent and strategic. Even with multiple perfect you’re almost never going to get a whole in one. I believe that if our elite runners ran more races the chances of breaking 1:40 are much higher.

lassitcl

Isn't perfectly even pacing the ideal for any race distance? The only problem is it's very difficult to know the exact pace you're capable of running, and exceeding it by even a little bit early in the race will put you in oxygen debt for the rest of the way. That's why the typical goal for longer distances is to negative split: while you might not run as fast as you could have if you ran your optimal pace the whole way, by starting slower and speeding up, you will at least avoid the risk of crashing and burning.

The difference with shorter races like the 800 is that if you are a lap into the race and realize you could be running a lot faster, you only have one lap to adjust your pace, whereas in a longer race like a marathon, you have more time to fine tune your pace to how you feel. I imagine the real reason that positive splitting has been the standard practice at 800m is that it's easier from a mental standpoint to just push hard and hold on than it would be to try to make in-race adjustments to hone in on the ideal pace, whereas for a marathon, the opposite is true.

evandempsey

Who are these 800m experts? Why don't they go try it out themselves at the the world championship?

TAiCkIne-TOrESIve

Need to also remember that even splits are actually not 'even'. The acceleration phase means it takes more effort to run a 50 or 51 first lap from a standing start than it does to run a 50 or 51 second lap from a flying start. That said, the premise of more even running makes intuitive sense to me. The idea of rushing headlong into oxygen debt and carrying that for a longer period doesn't. At the same time, i guess there are two approaches physiologically - either delay the onset of heavy lactic buildup through a slower first lap or deal with the buildup from a faster first lap by effective buffering and lactic tolerance. I suspect the physiological makeup of different athletes might influence which works better for them. The next world record holder will probably be capable of both.

cg-nook

Sounds mostly like BS. 800m is a mix of aerobic & anaerobic but largely relies on anaerobic endurance. Starting too hard is not about not being relaxed enough, it is simply burning too many of your anaerobic matches early to finish optimally...

alanpang

Great info trying to teach them how it's done is much easier than doing it. He forgot to say these r god speed

alvarojrgalo

He was shielded out of a World record and Olympic Gold.

Wells-wsmw

The official men's record was done with positive splits. Also, 100m runners reach top speed around 60m and slightly slow down to the finish.

PerryScanlon