Adventism and the Trinity Part 2 | Pastor Ron Kelly | Repost from February 2019

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[MaryAnn]

Can we say that we are in the shaking. Those that will not hold to what the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy says is true will be shaken out. Those that will be left will be filled with the Holy Spirit and the latter rain will fall. We are so close to Christ’s second coming we all would be running from our worldly thing just like Lot and his wife did. I pray we might not be so attached to our things that we might loose heaven. Stand firm and fight a good fight of faith🙏🏻♥️

[laneweever]

It is clear that this sermon has touched a nerve. God bless this man for what he is doing. Surely it is a message for our time. In supporting his efforts I have now drawn more discontent from so called "believers" than from those who make no claims.

[RosieRangi]

God and Jesus alone are to be exalted.

[svm]

I'm thinking this sudden controversy about the Holy Spirit is just another iteration of a "divide and conquer" tactic. In my memory there was the book of Daniel as interpreted by an Australian pastor, then the ordination of women and now the nature of the Godhead.

[MsSmilest]

Interestingly, the little horn took down THREE horns as it rose to power.
Those THREE horns were all anti-trinitarian.
❤Jesus is THE SON OF GOD ❤
"For God so loved the world that He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in HIM shall not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

" The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate—a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.” John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father—one in nature, in character, in purpose—the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. “His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6. His “goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” Micah 5:2.
💥And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: 💥
“The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting.... When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him.” Proverbs 8:22-30." Patriarchs and Prophets pg 34

[qhazwel]

Wonderful 3 part series. This topic is a real tension in the church; along with the other things that do not glorify God or bring others close to Him. Maranatha! :)

[RepaireroftheBreach]

To those in the SDA church seeking an understanding of this subject, you will never know the multitude of falsehoods in this sermon unless you study this issue for YOURSELF and study it FROM the Bible with an OPEN HEART. As a nontrinitarian, I can tell you this sermon is riddled with falsehoods about what nontrinitarians believe. The claims made are calculated to deceive you and secure you in a belief of the false god of the trinity. If you want to know what we SDA nontrinitarians believe and why we hold to the teachings in our past history, GO TO A NONTRINITARIAN and ask. The truth needs no false pretensions to prop it up and it can bear investigation. But have confidence in this at least, that the explanations you get from a trinitarian about what nontrinitarians believe is going to be slanted at best, and a lie at worst. Prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.

[ElijahAndMoses]

POPULAR ARGUMENTS FOR THE TRINITY ADDRESSED
The Bible teaches that there are three powers in heaven: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But it did not say that together, they are the one true God, or that they are co-equal. The concept of God as a Trinity has been prevalent in pagan religions and cultures but entirely absent from the religion of ancient Israel, the apostolic religion and even the religion of later pioneers such as James White, Joseph Bates, J. N. Andrews, J. N. Loughborough, J. H. Waggoner, and others.

The Seventh-day Adventist church requires that persons wishing to become members make a vow to believe in "one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons.” whereas the Bible does not explicitly teach that. The previous vow that persons took prior to 1980 was belief in "God the Father, in His Son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Spirit", which the Bible clearly teaches. The church has not allowed views like those of the pioneers to be expressed in the church and has disfellowshipped or sidelined those who hold similar beliefs as the pioneers on this matter. The church then accuses those very persons whom they forced out of the church and who then operate outside of the church, of causing division or calling people out of the church. Is that fair? Or is it a repeat of Ahab’s accusation against Elijah?

A few of the popular arguments for the Trinity are now addressed below.
1. Assertion: SDA pioneers only objected to the Catholic version of the Trinity.
Response: The pioneers of Seventh-day Adventism fully understood the doctrine of the Trinity and rejected it as error. Later, some persons such as John Harvey Kellogg and S. N. Haskel spoke favourably of the Trinity but earlier pioneers who Ellen White described as laying the foundations of our faith consistently objected to the Trinity. There is a common definition of the Trinity that is shared by all Trinitarians, whether Catholic or otherwise, even though explained differently by various bodies. This definition as given in the dictionary is that the one God of scripture is three co-equal persons. The SDA Church expresses its trinitarian belief that “There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons.” (SDA Fundamental Beliefs number 2). The definition of who is Catholic, as given in the Edict of Thessalonica expresses the same idea as follows: “let us believe in the one deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, in equal majesty and in a holy Trinity. We authorize the followers of this law to assume the title of Catholic Christians; but as for the others, since, in our judgment they are foolish madmen, we decree that they shall be branded with the ignominious name of heretics” (Edict of Thessalonica issued 380 AD). This definition of who is Catholic and who is heretic was used as the basis for persecuting God’s people during the dark ages and continues to define what is considered Christian orthodoxy by the World Council of Churches (WCC). The Basis of the WCC speaks of “one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” (Basis of the WCC, adopted by the Third Assembly (New Delhi 1961). The Bible teaches otherwise, as Jesus, in praying, stated that the one true God is His Father – “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3).

2. Assertion: The Hebrew word for “one” that describes God really means “united”.
Response: The Bible says that God is one (echad). The word echad is the first counting number in Hebrew, as with the numeral one. In other places of the Bible God is described using similar words such as “only” (quoted above in Jesus’s prayer), “none else”, “no other”, “He”, “none like me”. The Jews themselves, in whose language the word echad is used to describe God, understood it to mean one individual. The one God (one supreme Being) of the Bible is Jesus’s Father – “For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named” (Eph. 3:14, 15). The Father has no co-equals. He is “the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see” (1 Tim. 6:15, 16). There aren’t three supreme beings, only One. All other beings are subject to Him. Another word that Trinitarians appeal to is Elohim, where God (Elohim) said “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness” (Gen. 1:26). They assume that God (Elohim) is three persons. The Bible does not say that. Ellen White explains, “I saw that when God said to his SON, Let us make man in our image, Satan was jealous of JESUS.” (Ellen G. White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 1, pp. 17, 18). God (the Father of Christ) was speaking to His Son only. His Son is “the express image of His person” (Heb. 1:3). Ellen White speaks again explicitly in the following words: “The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate – a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes”. “Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father – one in nature, in character, in purpose – the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” (E. G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 34).

3. Assertion: Jesus is co-equal with the Father
Response: Jesus never claimed full equality with God, His Father, at any point in His existence. Before He came to earth, His Father anointed and appointed Him – “Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” (Heb. 1:9; see also verse 2). While He was on earth, He said “my Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). After sin is finished, He will still be subject to His Father – “And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Cor. 15:28).

4. Assertion: The Holy Spirit is co-equal with the Father
Response: The Bible does not speak anywhere of a third God-Being who has the image or likeness of God or “the similitude of God.” (James 3:9). There is no denying that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, sent at Pentecost is a person - only not a God-being to be worshipped. Like the Angel of Revelation 18, the Comforter carries out a work of worldwide extent and is aided by other heavenly beings. Ellen G. White describing the latter rain speaks of a mighty angel from heaven being sent to do this work and further said, "Angels were sent to aid the mighty angel from heaven" (Ellen. G. White, Story of Redemption, p. 399). The language of John 14-16 speaks of someone whom Jesus would ask the Father to send. That Person would not speak of himself but would speak only what He hears and would bring back to the minds of the disciples the things that Jesus would have told them – “he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak” (John 16:13). The three powers of heaven are God, Christ, and angels. There are many such references; for example: “I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things” (1 Tim. 5:21). These are the same ones who were present at the creation – “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? …. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4-7). Again, “Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne” (Rev.1:4). These seven spirits are later described as “seven lamps of fire” (Rev. 4:5) and as “the seven angels which stood before God” (Rev. 8:2). This is consistent with the Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma that are translated in the Bible as spirit. These words are also translated spirits, thus indicating that the Holy Spirit need not be seen as one individual being who is omnipresent but many spirit beings representing God everywhere.

5. Assertion: Ellen White led the church into a Trinitarian understanding of God.
Response: Ellen White never used the term Trinity to describe God. She spoke of three persons of the godhead, which is consistent with the view expressed here that the Holy Spirit is a person, just not someone co-equal with God or to be worshipped. Regarding Ellen White’s statement that “In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived” (Desire of Ages, p. 530), the full statement shows that it is not Jesus Himself that is being described, but rather, life – which Jesus has and is able to impart. Here is the full statement as it was originally published in Signs of the Times: “In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ.” (The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1897; also Selected Messages, vol. 1, pp. 296, 297). Being described is the nature and quality of this life and not the origin of it. Original – not a pattern or copy, but something genuine, authentic. Unborrowed – does not have to be returned. Underived – not being drawn from a source; He has it in Himself. How He came in possession of it? It was given to Him by His Father. Jesus said: “For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself” (John 5:26).

The Trinity denies the most fundamental truth of the gospel that God loved us to the point of giving His only begotten Son to die for us (John 3:16). It was not an eternal God who cannot die, but the literal Son of God who did die and was raised from the dead by His Father (Gal.1:1).

[rogeraak]

How is it that Jesus named the Catholic Church as The Beast, Babylon the Great, The Whore and Antichrist, and still it is believed that she is correct when she profess the following: "The mystery of the Holy Trinity is the most fundamental of our faith. On it everything else depends and from it everything else derives. Hence the Churchs constant concern to safeguard the revealed truth that God is One in nature and Three in Persons".
ALL of her false dogmas, including sunday-sabbath is based on the false personality of God. It is beyond all imagination that our church fell for that deception contrary to the fact that the Bible does not support it.
I have come to the conclusion that it was meant to be that way. The Adventist Church is not the remnant. The remnant is a small minority within the Adventist Church.

[MsSmilest]

Christ in you the hope of glory. Col 1:27

[cedricvandermescht]

The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. . 1SM 204.2

[ElijahAndMoses]

THE SECOND COMMANDMENT, THE TRINITY, AND THE OMNIPRESENCE OF GOD
I always wondered what was so significant about the second Commandment that Rome found it necessary to remove it altogether from the Ten Commandments. But it appears that there is a fundamental truth in that Commandment concerning where God's presence is that is intended to protect us from all forms of false worship.

The second Commandment tells us that we should not bow down before any image. This implies that God is not in any image. Which means that God is not everywhere. The Bible tells us that God is in heaven; and heaven is not everywhere. Heaven is above the earth and that is where we should direct our worship to God, where He is. He knows everything that happens everywhere and can go wherever He pleases but His abode is in heaven where Jesus, our High Priest and intercessor, is presenting our cases to Him. - "Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens" (Heb. 8:1).

Furthermore, both the prophets Daniel and John saw God in heaven with the angels gathered around His throne and Jesus being separate and distinct (Dan. 7 and Rev. 4, 5). Daniel said "the Ancient of days did sit" (Dan. 7:9) and "one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days" (Dan. 7:13). John said "one sat on the throne" (Rev. 4:2) who was worshipped as the Creator to whom it was said "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created" (Rev. 4:11), with Jesus appearing before Him to receive a book and power and authority, as the Lamb who was slain, while the angels sang, "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." (Rev. 5:13).

God is not everywhere all at once like a vapour while part of Him or an image sits on the throne representing Him. God Himself sits, of whom man was made in His image after His likeness, "made after the similitude of God" (James 3:9).

Logically, if God is everywhere, He can be worshipped wherever He is. One could then bow down and worship before a stone, a tree, a person or any object, not as worshipping the object but as worshipping God, since God is in it. That would open the door for the worship of false Gods as no one would be able to tell the difference whether you are worshipping the true God or not.

It would not be consistent to forbid worshipping before an object if God is in the object and one is worshipping, not the object, but God who is in the object. This is evident in the experience of the children of Israel in the wilderness. God appeared to them in a cloud and they were not forbidden to bow before Him in the cloud - "And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud" (Ex. 19:9), "And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door" (Ex. 33:10). If God is not in a particular place, say in an image, it means that there is at least one place where He is not. He cannot be everywhere and not everywhere at the same time.


The idea that the Holy Spirit is God present everywhere was precisely the argument that Dr. John Harvey Kellogg put forward to justify his pantheistic teachings. And Ellen White told him that he was wrong. Initially, he said that God was in everything. And when God instructed Ellen White to oppose it, he modified it by saying that at the time of his first presentation of the matter in the book "The Living Temple" he did not believe in the Trinity. Because of that, he said he had not given a clear explanation of the matter. He went on to explain that he had now come to believe in the Trinity and could better explain his idea. The new explanation was that it was not God the Father, but God the Holy Ghost who was everywhere and in everything. Ellen White told him that he was wrong. And we can see why. If God the Holy Spirit is everywhere and can be worshipped, it is a doorway to replace worshipping God and Christ in heaven entirely.

Another modified version of Kellogg's idea is that the Holy Spirit is really Christ himself or both God and Christ in an omnipresent form. This is also not correct as it places God and Christ on earth rather than in heaven.

The pioneers of Seventh-day Adventism stated in their Fundamental Principles of faith published in the 1889 Yearbook that God was everywhere present by His representative, the Holy Spirit. At face value, this would suggest that this representative is omnipresent. But it is perhaps more consistent with scripture to say that He is everywhere present by His representatives the holy spirits. Holy spirits are ministering spirits sent from heaven - "And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man." (John1:51). "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" (Heb. 1:14).

This is consistent with the Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma that are translated in the Bible as spirit. These words are also translated spirits, thus indicating that the Holy Spirit need not be seen as one individual being who is omnipresent but many spirit beings representing God everywhere.

From this perspective, there is no denying that the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, sent at Pentecost is a person - only not a God-being to be worshipped. Like the Angel of Revelation 18 who comes down from heaven with the latter rain - a similar occurrence as that which took place at Pentecost except more extensive - the Comforter would be seen as a messenger sent by Christ from heaven, as stated repeatedly in John 14-16. Ellen G. White describing the latter rain speaks of a mighty angel from heaven being sent to do this work and further said, "Angels were sent to aid the mighty angel from heaven" (Ellen. G. White, Story of Redemption, p. 399).

It should be noted that Jesus's warning against blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is not implying that the Holy Spirit is more to be revered than Jesus Himself. Jesus went back to heaven and promises to return to this earth to take us to His Father's house in heaven. He left the Holy Spirit to guide us until He returns. If we reject that guidance by blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, there will be nobody to guide us. The situation is like what God told the children of Israel in the wilderness - "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him." (Ex. 23:20, 21). It is simply warning us not to reject the Holy Spirit's guidance. It is not forbidding us seeking to understand who the Holy Spirit is or what the Holy Spirit does.

So, there we have it. The church has now fully accepted Kellogg's idea. Ellen White said that the initial presentation by Kellogg was the alpha of deadly heresies. She said that the omega would follow shortly afterwards and would be accepted. And it did follow shortly afterwards in Kellogg's modified version, based on his acceptance of the Trinity. And the church has now fully accepted it - that God (the Holy Spirit) is everywhere and should be worshipped. So, based on current practice, Jesus is worshipped, the Holy Spirit is worshipped but the One true God is almost entirely ignored. Jesus, praying to His Father, made it clear who the "only true God" is and identified Himself as the one sent by God - "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3).

Nowhere in the Bible is worship given to anyone else except the one seated on the throne who is referred to as "LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come" (Rev.4:8) and to Christ, the Lamb, as it will be in the new earth - "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." (Rev. 21:22). God is the Father of Christ. Accordingly, Christ, the Lamb is seen with "an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads" (Rev. 14:1). It is the name of the Lamb's Father that will be written in their foreheads.

Whatever one's concept of the Godhead, the term "godhead" is used only three times in the Bible (Acts 17:29, Rom. 1:20 and Col. 2:9) and in none of these places is the expression used to replace the idea of God being a single individual who has a Divine Son who is worshipped alongside Himself. And not even once does the term "godhead" in scripture allude to the worship of anyone else.

All worship should be directed to God and Christ in heaven. It is not about where we are when we worship but, like sending a petition to the king of England, we do not send it to Spain or Australia but to him in England where he is. Similarly, Jesus in teaching us how to pray directed that we say, "Our Father which art in heaven".

We should not be praying to nor worshipping anything on earth. We should pray to God in heaven, approaching His throne through Christ, our Mediator, and we should direct our worship to heaven where God is. This is the substance of the second Commandment that Rome has removed.

[sylviasaguan]

Thanks pastor Kelly for presenting this topic. May God enlighten those that are dividing our church

[Simon-Simon-Simon]

the issue I have with this the more I see is
are we a church of FROOME ? or ELLEN G WHITE AS OUR FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS

FROOME uses EGW quotes and so did DES FORD use citation of EGW
as we see this develop FROOME supersedes ELLEN G WHITE

I see so many SDA PASTORS with their walls of books in there homes of WORLDLY WRITERS AND PHILOSOPHY

[cedricvandermescht]

The Pioneers had this as doctrine:

The original Statement, published in 1872, 1889, 1905, and
1907-1914 (while Ellen White was still alive), read as follows
The Godhead
1. That there is one God, a personal, spiritual Being, the Creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal, infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by His representative, the Holy Spirit. Psalm 139:7
2. That there is one Lord Jesus Christ, and Son of the Eternal Father, the One by whom God created all things, and by whom they do consist....

[MsSmilest]

There will be a LOT of surprised people when Jesus comes and says 'Depart from me, I never knew you."
I do my best every day to stay in The Word. John 1:1

[Geofflovesflying]

What are the Common Errors Used to Defend the Trinity?

When truth is posted on the Trinity to try and save souls, one of the errors below are typically given. Most do not have a love of the truth and just trust what some deceived Pastor tells them that does not want to lose his job.

We are instructed to be like the Berean's and study the Scriptures daily to see if what we are told is true. (Acts 17:11) Do most people do this? No! Inspiration also gives a very serious warning to such people.

“In the judgment men will not be condemned because they conscientiously believed a lie, but because they did not believe the truth, because they neglected the opportunity of learning what is truth.” — (EGW, PP 55.2)

Most Adventists do the same thing Sunday keepers do when they are given the truth on the Sabbath. They quote the excuses the Pastor gave them! Sadly, most SDA's are no better. And the fact is, Sunday keeping and the Trinity both have the exact same origin! The Roman Catholic Church! This truth often gets denied and explained away also.

Only the wise with a love of the truth will ever see the kingdom. Imagine if the kingdom was full of those who parroted what a Pastor said without checking to see if it is truth. We would have Adam and Eve all over again!

Here are the common errors given by Trinitarians and why they are ignorance. Only those with a love of the truth will read and see.

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1 John 5:7 Wrong!

This verse has added text that is missing from 99% of Bible translations and with good reason. The SDA Ellen White Estate, Bible Commentary and Biblical Research Institute all say this is a famous Trinitarian corruption and that SDA's must NOT use this verse! So why do they?

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Matthew 28:19 Wrong!

This verse in no way affirms the Trinity doctrine which states that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 co-equal, co-eternal beings that make up one God.
Nobody denies there is the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.
But this verse never says they are 3 beings, 3 gods, 3 in 1 or 3 co-equal, co-eternal beings or anything else. No Trinity here!

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John 1:1 Wrong!

This verse says Jesus was with His Father in the beginning of creation and that He Has the same Divine God nature as His Father as He came out of His Father! Nowhere does this verse teach 3 co-equal, co-eternal gods that are 3 in 1.
Inspiration also says, “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, ” — (EGW, Ms140, Sept, 1903)

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Genesis 1:26 Wrong!

The deceived claim “US” is 3 gods. Inspiration tell us it refers to the Father and Son only.
“The Father and the Son engaged in the mighty, wondrous work they had contemplated, of creating the world. ... After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now GOD said to His SON, “Let us make man in our image. [GENESIS 1:26 QUOTED]” — (EGW, 1SP, 24.1, 2)

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Isaiah 9:6 Wrong!

No 3 co-equal, co-eternal gods that are 3 in 1 in this verse either. Note the oldest manuscripts from 300 years before the cross read as follows.
Isaiah 9:6 SEPTUAGINT “For a Child is born to us, and a Son is given to us, whose government is upon His shoulder; and His name is called the Messenger of great counsel; for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to Him.”
Inspiration also says, “The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, ” — (EGW, Ms140, Sept, 1903)

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Matthew 3:16 Wrong!

Some say this verse reveals 3 gods at Christ's baptism. Inspiration says no! “Never before had angels listened to such a prayer as Christ offered at his baptism, and they were solicitous to be the bearers of the message from the Father to his Son. But, no! direct FROM THE FATHER ISSUES THE LIGHT OF HIS GLORY. The heavens were opened, and BEAMS OF GLORY RESTED UPON THE SON OF GOD AND ASSUMED THE FORM OF A DOVE, in appearance like burnished gold. The dove-like form was EMBLEMATICAL OF THE MEEKNESS AND GENTLENESS OF CHRIST. While the people stood spell-bound with amazement, their eyes fastened upon Christ, from the opening heavens came these words: “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” The WORDS OF CONFIRMATION THAT CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD were given to inspire faith in those who witnessed the scene, ” — (EGW, RH, Jan 21, 1873)

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John 10:30 Wrong!

This is terrible ignorance. Jesus and inspiration reveal Jesus meant He and His Father are one in unity only! It also does not say I, the Father and Holy Spirit are one!
John 17:22 “And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as WE ARE ONE:”
John 17:11 “Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom you have given me, THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE.”
“The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, BUT NOT IN PERSON. It is thus that God and Christ are one.” — (EGW, 8T 269.4, 1904)

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The Bible calls the Holy Spirit “HE” so it must be a literal person. Wrong!

The only verses that use “HE” and “HIM” are the following. (John 14:16-17; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and John 16:13) All these verses refer to the Comforter and Spirit of truth which is the “Spirit of Christ!” I can assure you that Christ even by “HIS” Spirit is still a “HE”!
“This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” — (EGW, 14MR 179.2)
“We cannot be with CHRIST in person, as were His first disciples, but HE has sent HIS HOLY SPIRIT to guide us into all truth, and through this power we too can bear witness for the Saviour. [John 16:13 quoted]” — (EGW, Ms30, June 18, 1900)

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Ellen White said the Holy Spirit is a literal person. Wrong!

If people were honest and looked at what else she wrote, they would see she was referring to the Spirit of Christ. His Spirit can function like “another” separate from Himself and why she used the term third person. Christ sent “HIS” Spirit as it is like “another.” This is what so many miss.
Inspiration wrote:
The Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Comforter is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Spirit of truth is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third person is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third great power is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost was the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit Jesus breathed on His disciples was HIS own SPIRIT,
the Holy Spirit Christ sent to represent Himself was HIS own SPIRIT,
and the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and SPIRIT OF CHRIST.

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So the 3 are the Father, Son and Spirit of Christ who has His Father's Spirit as they are one in Spirit as Ellen White wrote.

And inspiration wrote those exact words. Who does she say are the ONE, ONE and ONE?

“They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (EGW, 9T 189.3, 1909)

So there is the 3!

Not 3 gods!

Not 3 beings!

But 2 beings and their Holy Spirit which is like a third person but NOT a literal third person!

Satan created and inspired the doctrine of the Trinity to steal souls from the kingdom, and a Jesuit slowly brought it into the SDA Church. Do people listen to these facts? Not many! Why? Because some deceived SDA teacher is always trying to silence the truth with lies. How terribly sad.

Supporters of the Trinity will perish because:

1) — It rejects the true Holy Spirit of the Father and Son in favour of some third god
2) — You get the mark of the beast. Why? Right day, wrong god!
3) — It denies Jesus is the literal Son of God which SOP and John said is antichrist
4) — It is idolatry and breaks the second Commandment by worshipping a false 3 in 1 god

[Revelation_Truth]

Ellen White tells us over and over Who Is The Holy Spirit is. Look at all these quotes. Same answer every time!
And yet the deceived always cherry pick what can be misunderstood on its own and they NEVER reconcile these quotes with the quotes below.
If you cannot reconcile all she wrote, then you are supposed to have the intelligence to know you have something wrong.
But the deceived NEVER do that and so are easy to spot...

“The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency, ” — (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)

“but it is the leaven of the SPIRIT of JESUS CHRIST, which is sent down from heaven, called the HOLY GHOST, and that Spirit affects the heart and the character.” — (E.G. White, Ms36-1891)


THE COMFORTER IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:
“This refers to the omnipresence of the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, called the COMFORTER.” — (E.G. White, 14MR 179.2)

“Let them study the seventeenth of John, and learn how to pray and how to live the prayer of CHRIST. HE is THE Comforter. He will abide in their hearts, making their joy full.” — (E.G. White, RH, Jan 27, 1903)


THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:
“JESUS comes to you as the SPIRIT of TRUTH; study the mind of the Spirit, consult your Lord, follow His way.” — (E.G. White, 2MR 337.1)

“We cannot be with CHRIST in person, as were His first disciples, but HE has sent HIS HOLY SPIRIT to guide us into all truth, and through this power we too can bear witness for the Saviour. [John 16:13 quoted]” — (E.G. White, Ms30, June 18, 1900)


THE SPIRIT BREATHED ON THE DISCIPLES WAS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:
“And when He had said this, He [Christ] breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: ... Before the disciples could fulfill their official duties in connection with the church, CHRIST breathed HIS SPIRIT upon them.” — (E.G. White, DA, p. 805)

“JESUS is waiting to BREATHE upon all his disciples, and give them the inspiration of HIS sanctifying SPIRIT, and transfuse the vital influence from HIMSELF to his people.” — (E.G. White, ST, Oct 3, 1892)


THE SPIRIT GIVEN AT PENTECOST WAS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:
“Outpouring of the Holy Spirit at PENTECOST—Christ ascended on high, to take His position as our Advocate in the heavenly courts. Having reached His throne, HE SENT HIS HOLY SPIRIT, as He had promised, in response to the prayers of His disciples.” — (E.G. White, 10MR 98.1, 1899)

“When the HOLY SPIRIT was poured out upon the early church, 'The whole multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul.' The SPIRIT of CHRIST made them one. This is the fruit of abiding in Christ.” — (E.G. White, GCDB, Feb 6, 1893)


THE SPIRIT THAT REPRESENTS CHRIST IS HIS OWN SPIRIT:
“CHRIST came to our world, but the world could not endure His purity. He has gone to His Father, but HE has sent HIS Holy Spirit to REPRESENT HIM in the world till he shall come again.” — (E.G. White, Ms1, Jan 11, 1897)

“CHRIST has left HIS Holy Spirit to be HIS REPRESENTATIVE in the world, to give celestial aid to every hungering, thirsting soul.” — (E.G. White, Lt84, Oct 22, 1895)


THE THIRD GREAT POWER IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:
“CHRIST has given HIS SPIRIT as a divine POWER.” — (E.G. White, RH, Nov 19, 1908)

“They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)


THE THIRD PERSON IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:
So who is the third person who is the “ONLY” one who can overcome sin in you?

“There is NO POWER in you apart from CHRIST, but it is your privilege to have Christ abiding in your heart by faith, and HE can OVERCOME SIN in you, when you cooperate with His efforts.” — (E.G. White, OHC, 76.5)

“With HIS SPIRIT CHRIST sends a reconciling influence and a power that TAKES away SIN.” — (E.G. White, RH, May 19, 1904)


THE THIRD PERSON IN THE HEAVENLY TRIO IS THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST:
“They have ONE God and ONE Saviour; and ONE Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (E.G. White, 9T 189.3, 1909)

THIRD PERSON = ONE + ONE + ONE = “the Spirit of Christ.”


The answer never changes. There are a few quotes from Ellen White that can be misunderstood on their own, which a Jesuit used to bring the Trinity doctrine into the SDA Church. But letting SOP explain SOP, there is no mistaking she was referring to the SPIRIT OF CHRIST every time.

So since she said the “Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, ” she also said:

The Comforter is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Spirit of truth is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third person is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the third great power is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit given at Pentecost was the SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
the Holy Spirit Jesus breathed on His disciples was HIS own SPIRIT,
the Holy Spirit Christ sent to represent Himself was HIS own SPIRIT,
the Heavenly trio is the Father, Son and SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
and she reveals over and over again that there are only two beings.

[cedricvandermescht]

A new organization… sabbath lightly regarded as also the God who created it…without God.🙈

[jerrie]

Preach it, Pastor Kelly. God is with you.❤