Christian vs. SDA Scholars: The Trinity | Part 1

CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Introduction
01:17 - The Adventist History Podcast
06:24 - Clip of Answering Adventism
13:44 - Matthew Lucio’s Comment
16:26 - A Comment on the Adventist History YouTube Video
18:20 - Last Comment from the YouTube Video
22:21 - What Do Adventists Mean By "Trinity"
23:30 - What Do Christians Mean By "Trinity"
28:20 - What Do Adventists Mean By "God Is Three Persons"
32:05 - What Do Adventists Mean By "God Has A Physical Form"
33:03 - Dr. Lake’s Claim
33:45 - Ellen White: Jesus Next in Authority to the Great Lawgiver
37:04 - Ellen White: Satan Next in Authority to Jesus
39:35 - Ellen White: Jesus Equal with the Father
40:30 - Ellen White: Jesus Invested with Authority from the Father
41:56 - Why Would God Need to Assemble the Angels to Tell Them This?
46:14 - The Great Controversy Lie
47:28 - Jerry Moon Admits Ellen White Influenced the Adventist Godhead
49:30 - Protestant Response to Anti-Creedal Heresy
56:48 - The Adventist Jesus Has An Angelic Nature?
59:20 - The Adventist Jesus is not truly omnipresent
1:02:40 - The Holy Spirit is Christ's Representative Divested of Humanity?
1:04:48 - Dr. Lake’s Personal Experience with the Trinity
1:06:04 - Ellen White’s Visions and the Trinity
1:08:13 - The Trinity: One Being, Three Persons
1:13:33 - The Trinity: Before the Entrance of Evil
1:14:31 - The Father and the Son
1:19:10 - The Holy Spirit
1:22:59 - Tritheism
1:26:40 - Restorationism: The Beautiful Idea of Starting Over?
1:30:25 - Who Went Back to the Bible?
1:33:14 - What the Pioneers Really Focused On
1:33:52 - The Pioneers Misunderstood the Trinity
1:39:01 - Why Didn’t the Pioneers Understand the Trinity
1:42:40 - The Trinity is 3 Persons 1 Being
1:44:54 - Early Adventist Disagreements
1:47:18 - The Desire of Ages
1:47:50 - Dr. Raoul Dederen
1:50:00 - Ellen White’s Trajectory
1:52:06 - Dr. Lake’s Defense
1:56:00 - Jerry Moon’s Paper
1:58:38 - 1980 GC Session (Adventist Review)
2:02:16 - What Adventists Believe Today
2:11:50 - Divine Simplicity
2:19:50 - Responding to Dr. Lake
2:21:38 - Conspiracy Theories
2:25:54 - Jesus Had a Physical Body
2:29:12 - Ellen White’s Developing View
2:31:55 - The Holy Spirit is Christ’s Representative
2:35:20 - Interview with Dr. Haroldo Camacho
2:35:53 - Never Claimed No Adventist Believes Orthodox Christology
2:37:43 - Closing Thoughts

#sda #trinity #sdachurch #greatcontroversy #answeringadventism

[TruthSeeker]

Btw: they want to claim she changed her views … no! She copied so much from other others that’s why she flip flopped and seems to have changed her opinions- (it got so bad that I was able to tell which author she took things from) - the quote : “ In him was life” was copied from this author:

John Cumming : Sabbath evening readings on the New Testament : St. John

[livehealthyfinishstrong]

I grew up SDA, went to “our schools” from 1-12 then 1 year of college, went on for a doctorate degree outside of SDAism. Thank you for your work in this area. My Christian walk has grown so much stronger since leaving SDAism. God bless you!

[YuShudNoe]

Man, it’s like they treat the Trinity as a secondary doctrine and things like sabbath and foods, etc. as primary doctrine.

[sabrinafrederick]

I’m sitting here listening and suddenly it hits me that all these misled “ theologians” are defending - not Jesus and his word- but Ellen and her word. So typical of cults who have “prophets” and spend time having to backpedal and re word and re think all the jumble that these false prophets create because they have gone into another gospel and are accursed. So much wasted time and energy.
I thank God I left this cult.

[TruthSeeker]

They are so silly . They don’t understand that hard core SDA would call them apostatized ( which I used to be ) and that EGW and the rest didn’t change their view and the whole believe system is build on that .
And Myles you’re 100% right - that’s exactly what EGW wrote / and as Pioneer SDA we didn’t even take anything after EGW died seriously. So whatever they say now - wouldn’t even count. We studied every word and yes - that’s exactly why there is the new non- trinitarian movement in the SDA since they are actually relaxing her and take everything as “inspired “.

[deborahthreefourfive]

Adventist gentlemen - How is it possible that there is a trajectory of understanding of Scripture as the Adventist pioneers studied more over the years, when in fact, Ellen is the one claiming all the "truths" are given directly from God? Does that then make God who doesn't know His own truth and had to divulge it over time to Ellen, often changing His mind as it is within Ellen's writings? Do you forget that your religion is based on the writings of Ellen on purpose to deceive others or are you all just stupid concerning much of what Ellen claimed and set her religion upon?

[eyerusalemtekeba]

I remember that I had been praying to God four years ago for guidance regardless of Truth. But I didn't expect HE would reveal it to this extent. I found SDA teaching is garbage, and decided to leave such a cultic atmosphere. Then I left their false church and found freedom I never had before. Thank you, Brother Miles, for exposing their hidden identity and doctrine! What a great role you are playing! I am very grateful to know their teaching is against the Word of God, and I study the Bible like I never had before. Truth Prevails!

[JamesZ-tx]

Appreciate the presentation that explains and defends the Christian faith against the false beliefs that SDA church uses to keep their members deceived. I am glad that I found this channel and learned what the SDA church actually teaches and how far it is from the Christian faith. Thank you Myles for a solid discussion that is backed up with multiple documents that back up everything you stated.

[codedee]

I’m wondering what Myles trained ‘10 years for’ 🙂

[IndigoViolet]

Their "rebuttal" video was so disappointingly weak and underwhelming. It lacked even a scintilla of substance. I gave them a chance and they literally wasted my time. They did nothing but convince me further that they are lost and wrong. And seriously undereducated about what they follow and promote.

[blueticks]

The Trinity has been one of the hardest subjects for me as I’m coming out of the Adventist delusion. I had a time of confusion around this point. I was definitely a biblical Trinitarian. And I thought I was instep with Adventism because they use the same word. What I had failed to see was that all the confusion I had was because the SDA church has no clear Trinitarian teaching. I had developed my
Trinitarian theology from “Sunday Christians” because they’re the ones who actually teach it thoroughly. I then took what I had learned and assumed that when Adventism used the word Trinity; they meant the same thing but couldn’t explain it as well. Now I see that the reason they don’t explain it well is because they believe nonsense.

[karen]

Wow 😮 thank you for sharing all this information Myles about ‘Jesus having an angelic nature’ 🤦‍♀️ proving again how confused SDA doctrine is - but most Adventists don’t even realise it 🤷🏼‍♀️🙏🏻

[According_To_Matt]

They tried to refute you by citing the same document they didn't realize you were citing in the video they thought they were refuting. Talk about stepping on a theological rake.

[drluk]

There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and BEYOND HUMAN COMPREHENSION, yet known through His self-revelation. God, who is love, is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation. (Gen. 1:26; Deut. 6:4; Isa. 6:8; Matt. 28:19; John 3:16 2 Cor. 1:21, 22; 13:14; Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2.) SDA belief number 2.
I dont what anti-adventists make of these statement

[dustins]

Not sure if you mention this in the video, I'm just starting. Do SDAs ever have to answer the questions "how many wills in God?" And "how many wills in Christ?"

The language "3 beings united in one mission" makes me think they'd say 3 wills or possibly "who can know such things about God?"

They'd do well to learn beyond just the council of Nicaea and look into Chalcedon and Ephesus. Specifically why St Maximos the Confessor is named "confessor" (he lost his tongue for defending the faith, but specifically, what in the faith was he defending)

[Yeshua]

Now wonder she died and is separated from God. I've never heard such heresies in my life. She teaches an unbiblical doctrine

[sylviamanring]

He had to! set his nature other wise he couldnt die God is Immortle he can not Die . Jesus was a man .son of man

He died on the sixth day. the same day man was made.. human beings

[dukeofkisii]

Are you chasing me away from the church.

I believe we are going to study more and learn from the bible

[Biblical.Bedtime]

I would love a live stream doing a DEEP dive into Daniel 8:14. Showing there is zero way it is talking about what SDA claims.

[lindaschipansky]

Myles can you explain in revelation when Jesus says a remnant. Ones who does commandments and has testimony of Jesus which is sop. He says all will be called out of babylon