Calvinism's Total Depravity Vs. Genesis (Answering TULIP)

In Adam, we did not inherit a "sinful nature," but we lost an inheritance. We lost immortality, fellowship with God, and our place as God's Imagers ruling and reigning with Him.

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[saraoroszova]

I haven't heard this explained so well to this day 😧😮

[awesomefacepalm]

Your series are so great
I used to call myself reformed but I've realized more how pagan the origins of reformed doctrine really is.
You series really helps me go get a new perspective on many things

[leepretorius]

I love this explanation. Has anyone else compared Jesus on the tree to the tree of life? What would you say is the tree of life in revelation?

[Brenda-qoko]

I suggest you re-read Romans 5:12-18.And when it says we died in sin it not only means we die physically at some point in our life but we are also dead spiritually.

[Bibliotechno]

People sin because they are sinners. Like thieves steal because they are thieves. The intention is the heart root, the act is the confirmation

[manyhobbies]

PS to my last post. Did you get to Genesis 6:5 where it says mans intentions are always evil?

[emso]

Adam and Eve and Jesus were all tempted by Satan to disobey God (Genesis 3 and Matthew 4) . Adam and Eve follow Satan and disobey God while Jesus did not follow Satan but He obey God. Let us not t be deceived by Satans' lies... always obey God's will/words and be led by the holy spirit (Romans 8)

[tomhitchcock]

Death is not a disease. It’s a penalty a wage something earned.

[timbushong]

Your problem is not with Calvinism, per se, but with Paul the apostle. It's like you're missing the forest (the overall biblical record) for the trees (of your interpretational preferences).

Romans 8:7-8: "...because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”

Right there are *both* the doctrines of total depravity (the Law having already been referenced as the bellwether for saving faith) AND total inability, with the absolute negatives of 'not even able' and 'cannot.' It literally states what you just spent 15 minutes trying to escape from.

[EDD]

2 Cor 12;20, read what Paul says about DEBATEING !

[lawrencestanley]

Romans 5:12 - "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—" (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:21-22)

The key phrase in verse 12 is ἐφ’ ᾧ πάντες ἥμαρτον; literally, it reads, "in that all sinned." This clause informs us why death passed on to all men. Here, Paul is not referring to the actual sins of men (cf. Romans 3:23) since in verses 15-19 he refers to the one sin of the one man, Adam being the cause of the universal reign of death (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:22). According to The Realistic Union View which asserts that man must somehow have participated with Adam in the first sin in order to be justly punished for it, since Paul has in view the same sin in verse 12 as he does in verses 15-19, what he is talking about is the corporate solidarity of all of Adam's descendants in his own sin; that human nature was both numerically and specifically one in Adam; that we were all present in Adam when he sinned, hence his sin is our sin, therefore all sinned. Since Paul goes on to declare that “the wages of sin is death, ” (Romans 6:23), this solidarity of the race in Adam’s sin is the reason that those who are otherwise incapable of committing personal acts of sin, such as infants and idiots, are capable of succumbing to the same fate as the worst of sinners, and this is why in Romans 5:14, Paul declares that “…death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam…” Verse 14 therefore excludes the possibility that in verse 12, Paul is referring to individual, personal transgression.

“This is to say that Adam was the ‘natural root’ of all mankind. Levi was in the loins of his father Abraham when the latter paid tithes to Melchizedek, and thus it can be said that Levi paid tithes to Melchizedek (Hebrews 7:9-10). In like manner all were in the loins of Adam when he sinned, and so it can be said that they sinned in him and fell with him in his first transgression.” (John Murray, The Imputation of Adam’s Sin, pg. 23)

However, we were as much in his loins when he committed other sins, and these other sins would be just as applicable to us as his first sin if the whole explanation of the imputation of his first sin resides in the fact that we were in his loins. Hence some additional factor is required to explain the restriction to the one sin of Adam.

In 1 Corinthians 15:22, 45-49, Paul provides us with what is one of the most striking and significant rubrics in all of Scripture. According to The Representative Union View which finds the specific ground for imputed sin in a representative union, or Federal Union (Headship), not in a natural union, Paul comprehends God’s dealings with men under the twofold headship of the two Adams. In the case of Christ and the justified we know that the union is that of vicarious representation. In the provisions of grace, Christ has been ordained to act for and in the place of those who are the beneficiaries of redemption. His righteousness becomes theirs unto justification and eternal life. This is a constitution that exists by divine institution, and the whole process which negates the reign of sin, condemnation, and death rests upon the union thereby constituted. The general thrust as well as the details of the passage indicate a similar kind of relationship in the reign of sin, condemnation, and death. The passage is built upon the contrast between the reign of sin, condemnation, and death on the one hand, as proceeding from the sin of Adam, and the reign of righteousness, justification, and life on the other, as proceeding from the righteousness of Christ - since Paul treats the two as a unit, if one were to assert that there is no imputation of Adam's sin, then he has just done away with the imputation of Christ's righteousness.

[reynaldodavidJo]

Good explanation brother, but there are some point that I cannot agree with you.. First there is no point that Adam should eat the tree of Life for he already knew that he is immortal and in fellowship with God.. But He made a mistake by eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil...

2nd, you said that we did not inherit something from Adam after the Fall, The bible fact is we inherited a sinful nature, that's why all the descendants of Adam
sinned, though we want to do good, but we still continue to sin because of our sin nature we are inclined to sin...
In Romans 5:12, it says: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" =>> This simply mean that if Adam did not sin, no one of the descendants of Adam will sin...
And third there indeed some people who are totally depraved but they are not the descendants of Adam, they are sons of the devil and they were never with God.. Jesus cannot redeem them because they were never with God from the beginning, To redeem means to buy back what belongs to you originally, the descendants of Adam are the sons of God, because Adam is not only a created being but the son of God as well (Luke 3:38)

You were right when you said, that the sons of God in Genesis 6 are the descendants of Seth which are also the descendants of Adam, because Adam is the son of God(Luke 3:38)
and the daughters of men
are the descendants of Cain... Cain is NOT the son of Adam, he is not included in the Genealogy of Adam in Genesis 5, because he has his own Genealogy in Genesis 4...