Answering Calvinism | Are God's Sheep The Unconditionally Elect? | A Reply To John Piper

Who are Jesus' sheep that he refers to in the gospel of John? Are they the unconditionally elect who God predetermined to salvation while leaving the rest of humanity to destruction and wrath? This is the view that John Piper would teach. In this episode we reply to this view and explain who the sheep of God truly are.

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[jcthomas]

Good point. We cannot simultaneously be his sheep and outside Christ!

[Mamalikesthebassdrop]

The verse about God choosing the 12 but one of them is a devil. Choice since the beginning of time in the garden.

[solochristo]

Greetings. I now see this discussion was like a year as you then can tell I’m not really that sociable online. One reason for that is places like this becomes a place for all matters of people’s ideas and thoughts and imaginations etc.... in the Christian realm it is kind of sad that we still want some credit in saving ourselves from God’s Righteous Wrath to come on the children of disobedience. God before time began elected some to IF I or YOU are one of them ( even if we didn’t know for years ) we will not die before that day that God reveals Himself to us ( which is another discussion altogether not spoken of here by me ). BUT before that certain day we were saved ( and many times we may not know the exact discussion) we are the children of wrath. So yes, I disagree with Pipers view. Let’s not complicate things. I just learned about William lane Craig and Molinism. More jargon to confuse the people. I would say, there are MANY good ( not perfect ) reformed preachers out of the best recently moved on...listen to him. RC Sproul.. ok so he liked the

[DavidPennington]

The hard line drawn in this video doesn't seem so hard in scripture. John 6:45 says "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, come unto me." So as the verse implies, you can be God's sheep - and God will lead you to Jesus. (See verse 44).

What this means is that someone can be drawn by the Spirit, and learn from God (King David, Philip & the Ethiopian, Saul, etc..) yet still not have repented and believed in Jesus. It seems you can belong to God, and yet still be under wrath and judgement because you haven't completed the process of transformation.

[theologynerd]

Two glaring problems with your argument. The first is at 11:32. You said, "I can't see how there could be any sense where these things could be true ('these things' being Scripture's teaching about the anthropology of fallen mankind) where at the same time it is fully true God looks at us as His own people, His chosen ones, His sheep..."
You saying, "I can't see how..." is an appeal to ignorance. Just because you lack the knowledge or understanding of the subject or are unable to rationalize how a lost person can simultaneously fit all those biblical descriptors and be called God's people, chosen ones (elect, ) and sheep doesn't make those statements any less about lost people.
The second glaring problem is at 11:44 seconds and 12:03 seconds, "...as His children...children of God" are equivocations to the other descriptors of lost people because "His own people, His chosen ones, His sheep" are not the same as as "His children."
There are direct statements about what makes people "His own people, His chosen ones, His sheep" and there are different direct statements about what makes people "His children."
Galatians 3.26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Faith in Jesus Christ is what makes someone a child of God. Faith in Jesus results in being a child of God. I'm not arguing from a Calvinistic perspective. I'm arguing from the biblical perspective. I don't know of any Calvinists who say someone is a child of God before faith. (Not even of the ones who believe regeneration precedes faith. If I am wrong about that please send me a source. Belonging doesn't equal being in the family.)
There is no such statement in the bible that says faith makes someone "His own people, His chosen ones, His sheep." To come to such a conclusion you have to interpret passages through a systematic theology or tradition.