Pilates Lost Diary: Do We Really Have it? | Dr. James David Audlin

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[TheDanEdwards]

Other red flags: 1) lack of citations to published works; 2) that a _fictional_ work was published in 2019 about archeologists discovering Pilate's diaries.

[TheDanEdwards]

Simple question: *where are the artefacts* ("texts") that are claimed to have been discovered? Which museum? Or archives? or vault? Where are they?

[Mercury-Wells]

Fascinating and surprising interview - this channel is incredibly informative - many thanks Jacob & the good Dr Audlin

[michaeltelson]

Manual typewriters were still in use in the mid 1970’s. Our highschool used them in typing classes. I know, I took a college prep typing class using them.

[slicktrickyes]

Thomasine Priority: The 72 Logia of Thomas and their Canonical Cousins

72 logia in Thomas are shared with the canonicals up to including John (who has only 3). Going by each and every single one of them, in full, they get compared with the canonical verses for each and every gospel-writer - in full.

There are clear and abundant patterns, for instance the "gospel sandbox" that indicates the shared material, usually being only the literal content from Thomas. The fate of the first copier is evident, who sometimes barely dares to touch a logion, after which his fellow gospel-writers come along and introduce more Thomas material from the same logion, while polishing up on the first attempt.

The role of Luke is excessively evident where he almost always has the most verbatim Thomas copy by far, occasionally even using material that none of the others do - the word 'pray' in Luke 5:33 is a fine example there. Splitting logia across gospels, supposedly tasking Thomas with e.g. combining Luke 11:27-28 with Mark 13:17 or Matthew 24:19 - on several occasions the gospel-writers exclude parts of logia that don't fit their theme at hand, and use it later on, or not at all; and then another gospel-writer comes along and does use it, and these separate parts form one single, beautifully coherent logion in Thomas.

Matthew quickly discards with the logia of the hidden treasure, the pearl, and the net - and Thomas manages to turn each and every one of those very poor and mundane quickies into magically mystifying riddles - what are the odds? And that is even without knowing that the parable of the net is the very core parable of Thomas, with a triple metamorphosis model, disclosing exactly why, and how, the great fish can be chosen "exempt-from toil".

Last but not least: the gospel-writers go to great lengths to explain every single logion, to apply each of them to a goal, to give it purpose, meaning. Thomas does nothing like it, at all: if he had copied anything in the way that he did, what on earth could his motives have been?

From a literary point of view, comparing the 72 logia makes abundantly clear that the canonicals made up their own versions by copying bits and pieces of Thomas content and applying that to their own context - and most certainly not the other way around.

[riley]

This was a great conversation. I happen to believe that the Gospel of Thomas was very early. I think it was very popular too. I absolutely love Mary Magdalene ❤️. I do not believe that we have found everything we are going to find. Fantastic job on finding so many great people to interview.

[iwilldi]

I quote from Audlins text
_The only textual source that I have seen is a modern French translation, apparently made in the late nineteenth century (by the handwriting,
vocabulary, and stylistic conventions, such as leaving one potentially shocking passage in Latin), and eventually prepared on a manual typewriter in about the middle of the twentieth century. The whereabouts of the Latin manuscript and the original nineteenth-century translation are said to be unknown by those responsible for the published edition. _

So the material is in even worse condition than in the case of Morton Smith's secret Mark.

[tsemayekekema]

Pilate likely knew of an earliest source that was used as a source for our Gospel of Thomas—our current Gospel of Thomas has been argued by Mark Goodacre—an opponent of Q Hypothesis—using the same methodology based on which he argued Luke was dependent on the Gospel of Matthew, to have been dependent on all 3 synoptics. Therefore, the present form of Gospel of Thomas was written in the early second century, after Luke used Josephus' 93AD book as his source.

[TheDanEdwards]

" [beyond] the ability of most forgers" <- there's a red flag. Many great forgers are known exactly because of their high craft. Here I think your guest is being a bit too easy of a mark.

[EdwardM-tp]

Partially burned 19th Century manuscript of a French translation? Or were the edges burnt on purpose so the pages would look old and neat? I suspect the latter.

[rolssky]

Suppose it is not forgery, yet it does not mentioned Jesus, it is not surprising since, in my research Jesus Christ is not a name but a term fabricated by the Greek converts after the Jewish war with Romans, which means saviour Christ. The letter J also was just invented in 15th centuryAD.
And regarding quotations, the source might be the person called teacher of righteousness and another one was Simon of Peraea which was one among who claimed to be a Jewish messiah.

[Fluffysweep]

Manual typewriters were used in my school well into the 80s (I'm from London), so im sure France had them too.

Also, Thomas's Gospel was not part of the canon because he writes about Jesus killing people, Jesus does this when he's one and again, when he's a young boy.

It's weird to start treating Thomas's Gospel as something utterly trust worthy now.

[aresaurelian]

This will be interesting. What really would happen if an authentic text or manuscript was found like this? Would people automatically just dismiss it? Am I?

[tsemayekekema]

56:20 Jesus mythicists should not be mentioned in a serious discussion

[willempasterkamp]

P. Pilatus = Lucius Anneus Seneca minor

[dominiqueubersfeld]

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[antonius]

What in the first place does this proof?

[randyallen]

I’m afraid I’ll be forced to unsubscribe if I hear French again! Thanks Nicolas Cage! One of my favorite channels

[marknagel]

People usually write their diary in their native language. Wasn't Pontius Pilate's native language Koine Greek? So why would Pontius Pilate write his diary in Latin?