Why Would God Ordain Evil?

God loves it when we struggle and wrestle with his word when our wrestling is to understand, know, and love him more. Let all our questions be asked in faith.

[tamarasmith]

Thank you for all that you do! I feel clarity watching these videos. I struggle with understanding The Lord's decisions because he sometimes allows schools full of children to burn to the ground and consume the little humans inside alive. But I know that he is still good and merciful.

[davidtownhill]

Evil exists as an opposite to Good. Without Evil, we would have no concept of Good. God needs us to know about evil in order to know about the full glory of goodness.

[tatokainjones]

I understand why God Ordains evil. but my questions is why should we follow him and love him? for starters I am a christian I do love God. i had a non christian coworker tell me " If your God is the one and only god i wouldn't follow him. the bible is the story of an all powerful bully who craves attention and affection. he created us flawed put rules on us so hard that the only person able to uphold them is himself. and then because we failed to live up to his rules that he knew was impossible for us to do we are sentenced to hell for eternity. unless we decide to love and follow the one who doomed us in the beginning." this was several years ago i did not have an answer then and still don't to this day. i have struggled with it ever since.

[saintbeloved]

If God predestined my sins and I can't do anything to stop what he forced me to do how can he punish me?

[HoxtonLive]

You could also use the story of Job to reach to the same conclusion which i think is what inspires the apostle Paul's explanation.

[elimartin]

God is not the Author of sin, but He does ordain it. If He didn't ordain sin, If He didn't plan our nature to take its course, if He doesn't endure our evil actions. His grace would not be adequately shown. Once we discover how terrible we are that is what brings us to trust Christ. Through his grace he shows us our ordained actions and out of love, terror, gratitude, and humility we come to Christ.

[mr.e]

Even the animals are suffering. Is it God's plan?

[cameronvinson]

Man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the Heart, but if People want to do wrong should God stop People doing wrong because God knows the outcome of People's Actions.

[carlmanguitar]

Why are there so many angry comments? Life: It is what it is. Pray that GOD will take control over this imperfect life. That's it!!!

[donaldhicks]

In the end, billions will go to hell, afew will go to heaven, what awonderful thing God has done for his children.

[Christo-doulou]

God does NOT ordain evil! this is a RANK HERESY from the devil himself!

[All-shall-say-Jesus-is-Lord]

"It is no sin in God to will that there be sin." Foolishness to the highest degree.

[giaarmany]

God ordained everything?
Brenton's English Septuagint 1851
Jeremiah 19:5

and built high places for Baal, to burn their children in the fire, which things I commanded not, neither did I design them in my heart:

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[wtom]

There used to be an old joking excuse back in the 1970's that goes, "The Devil made me do it!", but in Calvinism it goes, "God made me do it!"

[wtom]

God did not plan or create sin. Sin came into existence with the fall of Lucifer which was SELF-GENERATED because of his great pride and ego on account of his great status and beauty as an angel of God - Isaiah 14:12-14, Ezekiel 28:13-17.

Lucifer's 5 "I wills" declarations no doubt indicate that he had free will and acted independently from God.

[wtom]

Calvinists contradict themselves and there is DOUBLE TALK in regards to whether or not God is the author of sin and evil.

1) "The sovereignty of God also teaches THAT GOD IS NOT THE RESPONSIBLE AUTHOR OF EVIL, that man is a free moral agent who is not forced to sin and who is responsible for what he does." - Grover E. Gunn, in his book, "The Doctrines of Grace", 1987, page 14.

2) "GOD IS NEITHER THE AUTHOR OF SIN, NOR SANCTIONS IT (APPROVES IF IT). HE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR SIN, THOUGH HE DECREED IT. Those guilty of sinning are responsible." - Jay Adams, in his book, "The Grand Demonstration", page 61, 1991.

3) "God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby NEITHER IS GOD THE AUTHOR OF SIN...." - Westminster Confession of Faith, III "Of God's Eternal Decree", item #1

4) Westminster Confession of Faith, V. "Of Providence", Item# 4 bottom paragraph it states...."as the sinfulness thereof proceedeth only from the creature, and NOT FROM GOD, WHO, BEING MOST HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS, NEITHER IS NOR CAN BE THE AUTHOR OR APPROVER OF SIN."

5) The London Confession of Faith, Chapter 5, Of Divine Providence, #4 - The almighty power, unsearchable wisdom, and infinite goodness of God, so far manifest themselves in his providence, that his determinate counsel extendeth itself even to the first fall, and all other sinful actions both of angels and men; and that not by a bare permission, which also he most wisely and powerfully boundeth, and otherwise ordereth and governeth, in a manifold dispensation to his most holy ends; yet so, as the sinfulness of their acts proceedeth only from the creatures, and NOT FROM GOD, WHO, BEING MOST HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS, NEITHER IS NOR CAN BE THE AUTHOR OR APPROVER OF SIN."


BUT HOWEVER, you have the below following eminent Calvinist apologists and John Calvin himself making totally contradictory statements that is not in line with what is asserted by Grover E. Gunn and Jay Adams who are both Calvinists as well and the Westminster Confession of Faith, and the London Confession of Faith.

1) Loraine Boettner - "Even the fall of Adam, and through him the fall of the race, was not by chance or accident, but was so ordained in the secret counsels of God" - In his book, "The Reformed doctrine of Predestination, page 234

2) Jerom Sanchius - "Surely, if God had not willed the fall, He could, and no doubt would, have prevented it; but He did not prevent it: ergo, He willed it. And if He willed it, He certainly decreed it." - In his book, "The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination" page 88.

3) A.W. Pink - "Plainly it was God's will that sin should enter this world, otherwise it would not have entered, for nothing happens save as God has eternally decreed. Moreover, there was more than a bare permission, for God only permits that which He has purposed." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 147, (1961).

4) A.W. Pink - "Not only did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 249

5) Edwin Palmer - "IT IS EVEN BIBLICAL TO SAY THAT GOD HAS FOREORDAINED SIN. If sin was outside the plan of God, then not a single important affair of life would be ruled by God." In his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism" page 82

6) Edwin Palmer - "All things that happen in all the world at any time and in all history—whether with inorganic matter, vegetation, animals, man, or angels (both the good and evil ones)—come to pass because God ordained them. EVEN SIN -- THE FALL OF THE DEVIL FROM HEAVEN, THE FALL OF ADAM, AND EVERY EVIL THOUGHT, WORD, AND DEED IN ALL OF HISTORY, INCLUDING THE WORST SIN OF ALL, Judas’ betrayal of Christ—is included in the eternal decree of our holy God." - page 120, Edwin Palmer - in his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism".

7) Edwin Palmer - "SIN IS NOT ONLY FOREKNOWN BY GOD, IT IS ALSO FOREORDAINED BY GOD" - On page 122, 1980 in his book, ""The 5 Points of Calvinism".


8) William Shedd - "Nothing comes to pass contrary to his desire. Nothing happens by chance. Even moral evil, which He abhors and forbids, occurs "by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God." In his book, "Calvinism: Pure and Mixed, page 37, 1986.

9) J. Gresham Machen - "All things including even the wicked actions of wicked men and devils -- are brought to pass in accordance with God's eternal purpose." In his book, "Christian View of Man, page 46, 1965.

10) William Shedd - "Sin is one of the "whatsoevers" that have "come to pass", all of which are "ordained". In his book, "Calvinism" Pure and Mixed, page 31, 1986

Finally we have JOHN CALVIN:

John Calvin falsely taught that God is the author of sin and evil.

1) "Thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict." From Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion" - Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5.

2) "The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, NAY UNLESS IN SO FAR AS HE COMMANDS, THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY BOUND BY HIS FETTERS BUT ARE EVEN FORCED TO DO HIM SERVICE." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11.

3) "I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, all of Adam's children have FALLEN BY GOD'S WILL." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 4.

4) "The first man fell because the Lord deemed it meet that he should." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter, 23, Paragraph 8.


The above is what I call DOUBLE TALK where Calvinists say 2 different things out of their mouths contradicting themselves.

[johnellis]

Romans 9:19-23 --- "But someone may say to me now, “Why then should anyone be blamed for the harm they do? What is the logic? The will of his, who can resist it?” Dear man, surely true logic is the reverse of yours. Why be one who engages in a brain-power battle with the infinitely intelligent God?

For never should it be said by us who are the image and likeness of our creator, “Why am I being molded like this?” For does he not have the freedom, that potter with the clay, from what is of the highest quality moldable dough to make what is clearly a work of art, and other things that are for an unmentionable purpose, to make them from what is hard, unyielding and unfixable?

Now then the will of God is to show that without a spirit mind, man is controlled by a brain that perceives only pleasure or pain. And in so doing to make known the unlimited ability of him to bear with infinite patience – the workers of wrath – the ones who use stress and terror to enslave those less intelligent. For the ultimate conclusion of it all surely will be that great and deadly day of destruction.

For in this way does he make known the wealth of the glory of himself, to the workers of mercy who were prepare in advance for splendor." ECV

[Victoria-eeij]

I'm 15 minutes in and 100% believe Pastor John is a man of God but I am so lost. It's definitely an error on my part but my brain just isn't following what he's saying. I'll probably have to rewatch this and pray.

[Vetforlife]

Would the overshadowing of Mary and the Holy Spirit hovering over in Genesis have some kind of meaning together?

[wtom]

If God deliberately "ordained" sin and evil, then He would not have expressed regret and grief in Genesis 6:6.

Genesis 6:6KJV - And it REPENTED the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it GRIEVED HIM at his heart.

If you create something and then INTENTIONALLY engineer it for failure, then you shouldn't be feeling regret and grief afterwards. After all, you engineered it for FAILURE. If God created man and then INTENTIONALLY decreed his fall, then it makes no logical sense for God to feel regret and grief afterwards. Hence, the errant belief that God decreed the fall of man is debunked.