Why This Former Calvinist Began Doubting #calvinism

Jordan talks with Alana L, a 19-year former Calvinist about why it's not a bad thing to doubt and question theological systems and doctrines like Calvinism.

Discussing Romans 9 and Calvinism with Alana L.

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[goosieschmoo]

Salvation is entirely from God and not from man. All glory to God.

[livingwater]

Calvinism comes from Augustinian Manichean gnosticism, it is not christianity at all

[beautifulbuds]

Praise God you realized the double talk of Calvinism. Jesus loves his creation.

[ShaeSPT]

1 Corinthians 2:14: The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness
unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged.

Ephesians 2:1-3: And you did He make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins,
wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience; among whom ye also all once lived in the lusts of your flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

Ephesians 2:12: Ye were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

Romans 3:10-12: As it is written, There is none righteous, no not one; There is none that understandeth,
There is none that seeketh after God; They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable; There is none that doeth good. no, not so much as one.

[Objectivetruth]

“For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬ ‭ESV‬‬
I guess the question is our we born the natural man or do we posses the Holy Spirit as a child? Children are born innocent but with the inclination towards sin. I don’t have to teach my children to hit, I have to teach them not to hit. Of course this doesn’t mean that they are held responsible as one who is able to perceive! Children cannot perceive by nature as Roman’s 1 points out that God exists so then are not held responsible

[joseotoya]

Keep'em coming Jordan. Excellent content.

[Tigerex]

It's not there. I am so glad her eyes are now open to the truth

[willpower]

The moment for me was when Calvinists kept saying Christ only died for the elect and I read John 1:29 and 1 John 2:2.
I thought ‘That’s the exact opposite of what the Bible teaches !’

[YeshuaSaves]

Calvinism is man trying to make logical sense of Gods divinity. Just trust in God and follow the great commission. Focusing too much on this just causes an imbalance in our calling.

[FuegoVerdadero]

So she stop being a Calvinist because she wasn’t satisfied? That is not a good argument!

In Romans 8:7-8, we gain a clear insight into human incapacity to adhere to God’s law or to please Him independently, owing to their inherent sinful nature. Similarly, 1 Corinthians 2:14 speaks of the ‘natural person, ’ emphasizing that such an individual neither accepts nor welcomes spiritual truths autonomously. This isn’t just an intellectual limitation but a profound moral and spiritual one.

Other bible verses that talks about the total deprivation of men: Genesis 6:5, John 3:19, Romans 3:10-12 and many more.

[danielhoisington]

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?" (Jeremiah 17:9 ESV)

"The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Genesis 6:5 ESV)

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the LORD weighs the heart." (Proverbs 21:2 ESV)

"This is an evil in all that is done under the sun, that the same event happens to all. Also, the hearts of the children of man are full of evil, and madness is in their hearts while they live, and after that they go to the dead." (Ecclesiastes 9:3 ESV)

"Now when He was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many believed in His name when they saw the signs that He was doing. But Jesus on His part did not entrust Himself to them, because He knew all people and needed no one to bear witness about man, for He Himself knew what was in man." (John 2:23-25 ESV)

[lovealll]

Jesus died for our sins was buried and rose again on the third day 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, salvation is a GIFT of God, not of works nor of ourselves, saved by grace through faith Ephesians 2:8-9

[Myjesus-]

Most Christians, including Calvinist, don't understand the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross:
When Jesus died on the cross for our sins, he made a new covenant for his true followers. He was able to send the Holy Spirit to transform us to righteousness and conquer the flesh nature to set us free from the practice of sin, and it's desires. I think it is possibly even blasphemy against the Holy Spirit when people deny the power of the Holy Spirit to transform us to righteousness.
The Apostle Paul said that we are not in the flesh if the Holy Spirit lives in us.
2 Corinthians 10:3 Paul also tells us that we have been set free from sinful desires: "For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh."
Isaiah 53:5 says:
"But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds WE ARE HEALED."
Before Jesus came, the law that people lived under could not conquer the flesh nature. That is why people had to sacrifice animals repeatedly.
The cleansing that God provides is not temporary. It is permanent. When he cleanses us from ALL sin, we are made righteous.
Hebrews 7:27 says:
"He (Jesus) has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself." When Christians repent of their sins daily they don't have the Holy Spirit. They are still living under the Old Covenant, because they can't get clean.
Many Christians mock the Holy Spirit by saying it is impossible to conquer the flesh nature and stop sinning. They don't believe. They are watering down and diminishing the power of the Holy Spirit in their own minds & in the minds of others. They are mocking the miracle of transformation that brings us Salvation.
People flock to false religion due to the corruption in their hearts.
False Christians will dilligently search their bibles looking for loopholes to sin.
1 Peter 2:24 confirms that it is possible to stop sinning:
"He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” When we are healed from the bondage of sin, it is permanent.
"If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."
Scripture describes false converts as continuing in sin, because they deny the power of the Holy Spirit.
2 Timothy 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
Scripture gives a strong warning of eternal damnation to those who reject the New Covenant by sinning:
Hebrews 10:28-29
"Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?"
God's grace does not free us to sin. It does not cover continued sin or future sins. It does not forgive deliberate sin. It frees us from sin. Ungodly Christians reject the gift of righteousness that God offers. False Christians cling to a doctrine of demons that tells them they get to keep their sins, and there is no penalty. This is much more appealing to false converts than the thought of giving up their sins.
John 3:36 jesus said, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."
If people can't understand the clear language that Jesus used, perhaps their hearts have become hardened.
God, in his wisdom, does not leave us in a sinful condition, because over time, sin destroys the human conscience. When this happens, they are lost.
We can see evidence of a darkened conscience and a hardened heart when people mock and ridicule the precious gift that Jesus gave up his life to bring to us so that we can recieve righteousness that is required for Salvation.
When Christians reject the New Covenant, Jesus will reject them, and they will have to pay the full penalty that that the Law always required for disobedience under the Old Covenant. That means eternal damnation.

[danbrewster]

She still believes they were born into But they are able to be saved if they repent and believe on him.... Total depravaty of the calvinists believes they are not able to repent and it is God's plan for them not to ever....

[Octoberst]

The reason I'm a Calvinist is because the Bible forces me into that position.

[SeanJacquemotte]

So you’re a sinner but also a good person? People can attack Calvinists by saying well it says it but it really means something else. Paul was writing the letters to a church who needed clear understanding. The worst thing you can do is say to yourself well I’m a good person for the most part. That’s not biblical.

[josephalvinalmedatv]

Dear Lady, do a systematic study as to what depravity really is.

Rom 8:7-8 - the natural carnal mind is enmity with God, it is not subject to the law of God nor can be. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

I can give you a couple of dozen verses. If you are a semi pelagian then those verses would be explained away.

[hjc]

Oh my goodness total depravity is not a Calvinist belief only. I feel like people who are obsessed with Calvinism whether to prove it or destroy it are in such a bubble, they don’t even realize what’s going on around them in the rest of the church. Like get out of your bubble. Everyone believes in a “total depravity” of sorts, by different names, which is that the fall of man resulted in us subsequently being born with an inclination towards sin and that God makes the first move towards us with grace. Everyone in the western church, and even the Eastern Orthodox Church. This does not go back to augustine. Please stop regurgitating flowers and get into the catholic (universal) church.

[cooljams_jams]

First step to doubting Calvinism: poorly defining total depravity.

[stubowl]

Born haters of God? Total depravity Is rather concerned with Adams headship. The original sin is infidelity towards God. People become God haters because of infidelity. We'd rather look within and to self. What do you think?