Calvinism, Lawson, and the Comment Section

Let’s talk about Steve Lawson one more time, along with a touch of Calvinism and thoughts about the comment section.

#stevelawson #calvinism #reformedtheology

[TheRomansGuy]

Not only do I speak the Gospel to Calvinists, I use the Gospel specifically to challenge them to rethink their bad theology.

[TheRomansGuy]

I’m a staunch anti-Calvinist, and I’ve commented very negatively against Lawson’s Calvinist teachings on a whole bunch of his videos.

But his sexual sins aren’t directly tied to his Calvinism any more than any non -Calvinist’s sins are. Trying to tie his sexual sin to his Calvinism is an unfair potshot.

[TheRomansGuy]

25:44 Nope. Not gonna say “you pray to John Calvin.” But we might point out how he had people killed for apostasy. That’s a fair bit worse than Lawson’s sins?

[dahampton]

Just another tidbit for future video series to consider. I never did find myself as Arminianism or a Calvinist. Its not just the 2 options or schools of thought. A term came out lately that i would identify closest with. Leighton Flowers and some other men use it. Its Provisionist. This doesnt mean i believe everything the way Flowers sees it but if you were to look up the tenants of the term i would be closest to that. Its neither Arminianism ir Calvinist. Would love for you to bring up that blurb as another belief.

[BATTY]

I seriously doubt the salvation of people who see a pastor's sin exposed and their first thought is getting into arguments with Calvinism and saying "this is why Calvinism is a cult" or something. Not only does it show a prideful arrogance and a blatant disregard for scripture, but it ignores that this is a person who has taught the Bible for decades and plunged into sin. Shouldn't our first thought be to pray for him? Doesn't scripture warn against getting into quarrels with fellow believers? Why is the first thought of some, "Calvinism is evil"? I think there's a huge difference between saying "I disagree with Calvinism" and "Calvinism is heresy" or something of the like.

[dahampton]

I am not Calvinist. I do think it's a doctrine with many flaws, and to understand it, you have to look at the Bible through the lens of Calvinism. I even think it's damaging in a certain respect. However, I have seen many anti-Calvinists take this as an opportunity to take shots at the theology of Calvinism. I don't think those actions have been productive by those folks even though I have been guilty of things like that in the past and maybe even recently. Although it is getting less and less more often, as I don't see the benefit in tearing down the body and preaching Christ for contention sake.
That being said I do also think that some if the willingness of these people to use this opportunity to kick a Calvinist while their down is due to what some would view as the snobbery, or superiority complex some Calvinists can give off. I have had experiences that seem like I'm immediately being filtered down into what boxes I check to see whether I'm worthy, or a card carrying member.

Although I of course believe my set of beliefs, and I think they are correct because I believe them of course...I try to be tolerate of people with different and bad doctrine.
There are many (insert denomination here) that have bad doctrine, but they hate sin, live a holy life, and love their neighbor
Then there are many conservative high brow Christians that have their theology all thought out, laid out and ready to use their sword...but they are missing love. They have secret vile sins, they don't love their neighbor, nor their brother.
I will take the guy with bad doctrine everytime. I will take one of the Calvinists favorite "C" words everytime. A fruit loop "C"harasmatic that loves Jesus and the body.

I have seen many people in Steve's camp ready to soften the severity of his actions and ready to say "we don't have the facts" and "we are all sinners". I appreciate that you have seemed to call it what it is.

[CharlestonJesus]

I am neither Calvinist or Arminian. Arminianism is just Calvinism-Lite. Jacob Arminius studied under John Calvin in Geneva and all he knew but he did not set out to divide that came later after both men died off. Jacob Arminius just had a few critiques of John Calvin.
BUT if your not Calvinist then Calvinist automatically put you in the Arminian camp like if your not with us then your in the other camp lol. But I never hear Arminians saying if your not in our camp then you must be Calvinist. lol

[TheRomansGuy]

Oh, wait, you’re in favor of Calvinism??

[TheRomansGuy]

24:38 Yep. False gospel.

Maybe an evil one. And I’m not taking a personal shot at you or anyone else. Just talking about the theology by itself.

[TheRomansGuy]

You seem to be really hung up on the idea that anti-Calvinists are just angry at Calvinism and instead of just railing against what you believe is a legitimate Christian doctrine, should be working to spread the Gospel message. You say that as long as people believe that we’re saved by grace through faith, that this is an intramural battle and shouldn’t be a doctrine that divides.

But non-Calvinists see that the Gospel message is that God has forgiven all men and given all men that ability and responsibility to surrender, have faith and believe. And to those who do, God grants eternal life. That’s the Gospel. But Calvinism teaches God only effectually forgives SOME people. That God only gives the ability to have faith to SOME people. And the rest? Just sucks to be them I guess… To us, that’s a pretty awful and unbiblical thing to say about God. And we’re aware of the ways you want to couch it in “sovereignty” and “his ways are higher than our ways” and you’ll eventually appeal to mystery and say it’s an antimony, but we’re past that. We see it for what it is. It’s silly and unnecessary and childish. (If not outright evil.)