Does Jesus claim to be God in John 10?

[lnsflare]

It's actually a mistranslation. In the original languages, Jesus was claiming to be the son of Godzilla.

[rainypuddz]

I’ve never believed in the Trinity. It doesn’t make sense in the traditional way it is taught.

[jordanjohnson]

Growing up i naturally always beleived this not knowing my tradition taught the trinitarian concept. The way Dan explains it makes sense theologically, rationaly and spiritually. The way Dan explains it feels right and is a notion i always held. The most high is our father in heaven, christ is his son and the most high has given him his status and done his work through him. Love it Dan!

[EricMcLuen]

Considering John's gnostic leanings, it is amazing itmade the Biblical cut but its popularity seems to have been greater than its obvious discrepancies with the synoptic gospels.

[BlackDeath]

Im with you 100%. My family would never agree with you as they are pentocostal. But i fully agree with you. Thats how i understood it when i 1st read the bible on my own.

[SheikhN-bible-syndrome]

Dude you killed it like you always do!

[mmcreads]

Ok I understood the last 15 seconds but everything before that went a little over my head 😅

[cindyisa]

@DanMcClellan Perhaps I disagree with your take of John 10 or perhaps I misunderstand. In the same book, the author of John says in 5:18 that Jesus “…was even calling God his own Father, making himself EQUAL with God.” Please note that this is NOT a Pharisee misunderstanding. Rather, it’s the AUTHOR’S view. He's emphasizing Jesus is predicated EQUALITY with capitol G God. Since this is the author’s view, we ought to understand why the author reports that Jesus submits to the Father and says the Father is greater than him. Jesus might not claim to be God but the author does.

[izregistered]

"Through Him, not With Him". I believe Dan's Latter Day Saints background is clouding his ability to see what Jesus is saying here. Using Phillipians 2:7 as my basis in original Greek: ὃς ἐν μορφῇ θεοῦ ὑπάρχων οὐχ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο τὸ εἶναι ἴσα θεῷ,

Transliterated into English, it says: "Who, being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, " This verse highlights the selflessness and humility of Jesus Christ. Although He existed in the form of God, He did not view His equality with God as something to be clung to or asserted. Instead, He chose to humble Himself and take on the form of a human being, becoming obedient even to the point of death on a cross. Remember, this is Jesus as fully man, fully God. Our minds simply have a difficult time comprehending the nature of the Trinity. The original Greek words used in this verse convey the depth and significance of Jesus' actions. The phrase "ἐν μορφῇ θεοῦ ὑπάρχων" emphasizes His pre-existence and divine nature, while "οὐχ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο" expresses His voluntary decision not to grasp at equality with God.

[karldunnegan]

Another great video from Dan. Although when he says that "Jesus says", it's kind of like saying that "Charlie Brown says" or "Robin Hood says"....it's words put into the mouth of a 'person' by the writer of a story, a story that first appears some 80 or 90 years after the time that the words were supposedly spoken. And it appears in a completely different language. Maybe Jesus did say them, but we have no reliable way to determine that, because we don't have a time machine.

[blksmagma]

That's still such a weird passage because most scholars believe that the passage Jesus was referring to actually did mean literal gods and not humans.

[MitzvosGolem]

1 John 5:7- 8 is an admitted insertion by church fathers. Not in original koine Greek new testament.

[andrewmosteller]

Love to get your take on Larry Hurtado’s early Christian christology work. I know he and Bart Ehrman take a different view on early christology, and I’d be interested in your take on their arguments.

[tatethemanhimself]

"The father is in me, and i am in the father."

"I and the father are one, "

"You can not tempt your god"- talking to saten, tempting him on the mountain.

"If you have seen me, you have seen the father."

[Wertbag]

In the OT God says over 150 times "I am the Lord your God". He is explicit and clear, leaving no doubt to his followers. Jesus never says it straight up like God did, which the lady in the video openly admits. The idea has to be guessed at by comparing terms, second hand inference and interpreting verses in certain ways. This was never God's method in the past, but apparently we are meant to guess that He completely changed His mind about telling people.

[EgoEimiApologetics]

Uhhh… maybe im missing some extra context to the womans initial video… but i dont think she was even referring to John 10:30. She didnt make the “I and the Father are one” argument. Seems like she was referring to John 5:18, where it says “For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.” Are we sure John 10:30 was the passage she was referring to?

[vladdrac]

Thanks for clarifying some misconceptions. Do you have any video talking about the Jubilee Year?

[matthewmurdoch]

Thank you very much for this.

I would love to hear more about the use of Greek in John 1.

[SamsonSethooKwabenassksethoo]

27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me,
29 for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand.
30 The Father and I are one.”

Clearly, if you read even from verse 27. Jesus is putting himself in the same position as the Father. He gives eternal life. The Jews definitely knew who gave eternal life. Jesus said the sheep are in HIS HAND, and no one can snatch them out of HIS HAND and the same sheep are in the Father's Hand. no one can snatch them from the Father's Hand.

[ogd]

The Trinity is linked to Theosis. God became suffering man that suffering man might become God. You are entirely right that the unity with Christ is linked to unity with the Father. Infinite oneness of Father Son and God’s spirit in you. The union of the church and Christ is represented in the wedding at the end of Revelations. God is One and he welcomes you into that Oneness.