5.0L FORD VS 5.0L COYOTE-WHAT'S THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK? HAS MODERN TECHNOLOGY IMPROVED THE 5.0L?

CAN THE FOX 5.0L COMPETE WITH A MODERN 5.0L COYOTE? HOW MUCH POWER DOES A STOCK 5.0L MAKE? HOW MUCH POWER DOES A MODIFIED 5.0L MAKE? WHAT IS THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK? WHICH 5.0L SHOULD I MODIFY? HOW DO I MAKE CHEAP POWER WITH MY 5.0L? IS A COYOTE CHEAPER THAN THE ORIGINAL 5.0L? CAN A MODIFIED COYOTE MAKE 600 HP? HOW MUCH POWER ARE HEADS, CAM AND INTAKE WORTH? CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO WHERE I COMPARED A STOCK 5.0L (FOX) FORD 302 TO A STOCK 2011 5.0L COYOTE. I THEN COMPARED A MODIFIED 5.0L (FOX) 5.0L TO THE STOCK COYOTE, THEN ILLUSTRATED WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MODIFY THE ALREADY POWERFUL COYOTE. HOW FAR HAVE WE COME?

[abr]

Coyote is the best engine Ford has come out with in the modern age. 7 seconds stock motor, 8’s in RCSB trucks, extremely mod friendly, reliable, the only downside is the sound isn’t as good as the 4.6’s or the old school stuff.

[jesseleister]

The only guy on the internet who gives a logical look at this argument. Keep up the good work and content Richard!

[dennisrobinson]

The torque out of that coyote at 475ft-lb out of "only" 5.0L is super impressive, and yes 600HP out of the Coyote NA especially gen 3 is not that difficult to achieve.

[JimBronson]

The old school small block Ford is a much narrower and shorter engine. It will fit in a lot of things that a Coyote won't. If I had money to burn I'd just buy an aftermarket SBF block that could take big cubes and handle a lot of power and be done with it. You can even buy a 408 SBF longblock with new castings from BluePrint for $6500.

[stevenboyle]

I've owned both, and as much as I like Old stuff there is no comparison. The Coyote is the best engine I have ever owned.

[mav]

It's all about the end goal. Without a better block and forged internals id doubt the pushrod 5.0 would compete. You can buy all of that for what the coyote costs. A boss Block 347 would make that kind of power easily but starts to get pricey. And the Coyote is a little harder to fit older chassis. A guy can make a fun pretty quick car at that point. My vote is still the pushrod 5.0

[keithmceuen]

I’m going to be a 540inch Boss 9 headed big block in my Falcon and it doesn’t cost much more and is dimensionally smaller than a coyote

[kylemilligan]

Mr Holdener, I think it's time to build an all-out pushrod 8000rpm 5.0

[jamieweirdworld]

For being cost effective, I think a 351 Windsor stroker build would probably be a cheaper solution than a Coyote, but neither is gonna be cheap. The salvage yard Coyotes might eventually get cheaper though. I hope.

[gchun]

I considered going coyote at one point. The engine and control pak pricing made it tempting. But after talking to a couple guys that swapped theirs, it's a lot more expensive than it appeared to be.
As tempting as it would be to have a revving coyote, I ended up building a budget stroker that made good topend and a lot more torque without all the cost of the swap.
If you're talking about a chassis that would be a swap either way, then that's a different story. But for a foxbody, a built pushrod will be cheaper.

[warrenstephens]

For half what a Gen3 Coyote crate engine costs you can have a 408ci 351W with 550+ hp and it will fit in any car made so there is no question who wins dollar for dollar.

[JC-gwyo]

You can't beat the performance of a 4 valve engine. When choosing an engine for a replica car, I calculated it cheaper to buy a Coyote engine VS building a new 5.0 Windsor. Thank you Richard for proving my inclinations and calculations. This evaluating definitely happened at Ford, I am sure. Be great to see Ford build a 4 valve head for the 6.2 "Raptor" engine

[rickstorm]

I built this combo rears ago ...
10.5 to 1 comp
KB pop ups
Roush 200 heads w/roller springs
Stock rods, crank, E303 cam
One piece push rods, crane
Harland sharp roller rockers
FMS roller lifters, . Arp oil pump drive
Melling high pressure oil pump
Edelbrock airgap rpm, water pump
Timing all in by 2500rpm 32 degrees
Dynoed 387hp 379tq

Budget build. Surprised your high end with better cam and heads was so weak.
Needed more comp and e85 and it would push 430hp imho.

[acemobile]

The gains will seem less dramatic "seat of the pants" in the 'Yote vs the 302 because the 302 came in a chassis that was 8 to 900 pounds LIGHTER! If there's anything I have against the Coyote in general, it's the fact that the cars they come in are absolute porkers that need to go on a serious DIET!!! Cars in general are getting ridiculously heavy 🙄

Of course a Coyote in a Fox, that's a hot ticket 🔥

[DoesItTho]

You kinda proved how versatile the Windsor 5.0 truly is. For ~$5k you can have have a good lil screamer with no worries about even finding one not to mention the fact that it’ll bolt up to just about any RWD ford… including the Gen 1 Outlaw Ranger I’m building. Can’t do that for less than 3x the price and all the mod headaches it’d take to get a Coyote 5.0 in there.

[Apilot]

The only way to make a Windsor 302 do Coyote stuff is to go into the bottom end. In addition to top of the line cylinder heads you probably need to go at least 11:1, and a pretty aggressive camshaft . You probably would need to go with a Victor style manifold and 1 3/4 long tubes.
The only way around that is a 331 displacement bump or a power adder.
It would still be less expensive than going coyote because of the R&D on the legacy stuff has long since been paid for.
Drive ability on the other hand wouldn’t be as good. It would be a very rowdy combination.

[deanbryan]

Interesting video Richard thanks. I reckon I seen a new coyote and gearbox for 15 grand on Facebook marketplace in Australia, 5 litre fords used around 2. A fair few bucks difference down here lol

[katkilr]

Best dang channel on YouTube!!!!
I have had many 302cid, couple 4.6 (5.0) and just 1 coyote.
Ill take the coyote Everytime!!

[markmccarty]

Hi Richard, just watched your comparison of pushrod 5 liter v Coyote 5 liter combos! I think that the ratio on ci to hp is really hard to beat in stock form was awesome, but!!! The external dimensions on the coyote are so enormous that older Ford platforms just don’t have room to clear the shock towers!! Just bout my wife a nice 2001 gt convertible! It has room, but there’s no way in hell I’m modifying it! However, it is much easier to install a 351w based engine in these early and fox body based cars, and if I may add, a cheap Windsor with heads, cam, and intake is still a more viable option!! I admit I’m almost 62, that doesn’t effect my opinion, the fact is Chevy guys have argued not the cost per hp for generations! The 351w is cheap, reliable and makes great power for the buck!

[kevinwest]

Back in the day I went from eating breathing sleeping FE engines to the 5.0's I'm not sure if the best one I had, Had magic dust, I'm a hell of a driver, lucky as hell, or a little of each, 308 gears, 2.5 exhaust, off-road H pipe, short throw shifter, underdrive pulleys, homemade Ram air that ran through the headlight, ( man should have patented it it was slick) handsome Port match 1969 351 Windsor heads, 4-cylinder Springs in the front, Outran a few new vette that cost 50 Grand, once a cammed up 70 Chevelle with a 454, would consistently outrun a buddy of mine's Mustang that was supercharged, it felt faster? than my 428cj headed 390 with 370 gear auto in 66 fairlane. I'm thinking the guys in the Corvettes weren't willing to push as hard as I has in my $4500 junkyard Frankenstein 89, and my buddy with a supercharger had 373's and street tires and would try to leave at 3 Grand, man used to get so mad, it was awesome! Hard to believe those Motors only had 225hp everyone swore my front tires are barely coming off the ground or tippy-toeing when I would leave. Good times! one guy i knew took a 4-cylinder turbo out of a Turbo Coupe and put it in a pinto what keep up with the Mustangs and bring home trophies for consistency at Wentzville. Dam🤔 ...I'm old