5 Ways Lordship Salvation Is Not Reformed

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Jon and Justin compare and contrast the lordship salvation position with a historical, confessional, and reformed theological perspective on Law, Gospel, Justification, Sanctification, Assurance, and your standing before God.

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Matthew 16:24 “If any of you want to be my follower, you MUST deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me.” Lordship in a nutshell; straight from the Lord himself.

kylebertholf
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As with most people who say they don't agree with "Lordship Salvation", these guys don't understand what is meant by the term. First rule of debate/argument = Define your terms. John MacArthur, who is primarily identified with "Lordship" does not get the order of salvation wrong, nor does he redefine faith. He and RC were good friends and 100% on the same side of the Gospel issue. Both men agreed that salvation is by faith alone, and that true saving faith is never alone; it is always accompanied by the fruit of repentance and obedience, which themselves "justify" the truth of their profession of saving faith.

boaz
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I just saw a more updated statement of faith from the Masters Seminary and they did correct their statement concerning salvation to state it properly. That is very encouraging.

jburghau
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You guys are so awesome! I’m overwhelmed with joy when you guys upload.

Blessings to you both and your families 🫶🏽

EKPittman
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For so many years, I've seen comments proclaiming Lordship Salvation is "another gospel", but I always poo-hoo'd that, thinking, "They just don't understand, " because I'd bought into the double-speak of it.

LS preachers talk a lot about "in faith alone by Christ alone, " and then they say, "Our lives prove what we really believe - we're known by our fruit, " and go on to say we ought to be loving and praying and working and giving and forgiving and helping, etc, etc, etc. So I was *CONSTANTLY DOUBTING MYSELF AND OTHERS.*

It's so freeing trusting in Jesus for my whole salvation - past and future! And I do NOT want to sin more!

LilacDaisy
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This was extremely helpful in pointing out the prominent issues with LordShip Salvation

KevinKake_
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The Free Grace movement is not bad theology it’s just the simple biblical gospel and the refusal to allow anyone to shove works into it.

matthewlogan
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Guys thank you for the content. It is quite sad to see all those comments of the video of people disgusted by the idea that our security is in Jesus alone and in what he accomplished for us. It is sad that their concern is obedience when it is God who produces that obedience through his spirit in us. Im terrified of the idea that my motivation to obey would be fear and/or securing my salvation rather than obedience coming out of a regenerate heart full of thankfulness and the love and grace that we received from God first.

gabrielpastor
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Thank you for this helpful video. I have been listening to Grace To You and reading Pastor MacArthur's books since the 70's and have learned much from his ministry. He started to become a calvinist in the 90's.(As have I).His original edition of The Gospel According to Jesus was very muddled and confusing as these men on Theocast have said. It was written prior to his beginning to embrace Reformed soteriology. McArthur has gotten a whole lot better since that book was first published, and his recent radio broadcasts have been quite good. Due to his wide influence, Theocast and Heidelblog are trying to help us be discerning and I commend them.

jburghau
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Wow!!
This has got to be one of the best episodes I've come across with you guys!
It's like a college course at the comfort of my own home!
Praise God! Thank you!

scottsinger
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Excellent biblical defense of the gospel of grace and clarification of the difference between justification and sanctification.

EdwardJOrmsby
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To be sure, we distinguish between the twin gifts of faith and repentance, but we do not separate them at conversion in the reformed faith.

LandonKozeny
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MacArthur and Piper are excellent examples of Christians who do not come from the Reformed tradition but have discovered Calvinism. Because they do not have solid grounding in Reformed theology, their version of Calvinism easily topples into Arminianism.

LTKing
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Thank you for keeping this perspective alive. We tend to drift into the law because we feel it is more effective in bringing about immediate obedience. Long term, though, it trains us to create a "saved" box within which we can live our own little busy joyless Christless lives.

andrewk
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I feel free grace is just the gospel . We don’t have to do anything to earn or deserve it. And we don’t prove it by works or maintain it by anything we can or will do. That’s simply free grace

Brexbin
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I've always thought lordship salvation was simply another way of saying good fruits will follow true regeneration. Not perfection, no degree of sanctification will ever achieve perfection. Am I right or wrong? Thank you for this video my brothers.

charlesparillojr.
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Macarthur and johnson are both teaching a form of neonomianism. One other thing is that the Heidelberg catechism asks the question "why MUST we do good works?" One is truly reformed and thus biblical when they maintain the absolute necessity of a life of good works. Yet the Reformed creeds did not fall into neonomianism.

atcustompainting
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Brothers, the verses from Ezekiel are precisely the one’s many so-called Calvinists cite as evidence that regeneration precedes faith and repentance, and that God is sovereign over our salvation.

Thanks for highlighting this verse that makes this oh so clear.

joshuar
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I had a friend who went to John MacArthur’s seminary and always told me that he learned that he always comes to the Scripture as if this is the first time I saw it. These guys are not taught historical theology especially the scholastics and they just keep making the same mistakes. MacArthur has similar problems when it comes to justification and assurance.

robertlotzer
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Great message. Those who have been regenerated will obey. The goodness of Yah brings us to repentance. That goodness is in the gospel of grace. Amen!

emmanueljuliusgadze