Should We Become Eastern Orthodox? W/ Trent Horn

I ask Trent why should Catholics remain Catholic in light of the Church scandals and all the other problems that seem to be plaguing the Roman Catholic Church?

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[PintsWithAquinas]

What are your thoughts on the Eastern Orthodoxy and the argument Trent makes for the papacy?

[rfs]

I’m Orthodox, my wife is RC. The difference in faith almost had us at divorce. My priest, her priest, and ourselves met. Both her and my priest said divorce is not an option. We followed Their mutual advice to attend Orthodox one week, and Catholic the next. Eventually my wife became fond of the Divine Liturgy, so now we attend Orthodox one week and Byzantine Catholic the next.

To be clear, I don’t actively participate in the catholic, and she doesn’t actively participate in the Orthodox. But our marriage is better for it.

[davethompson]

Both Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics should pray, in true fidelity, that our two Churches can once again become one. Christ’s last prayer to his father is that “they do not fight among each other”.We all give to the evil one when we do not heed Christ’s prayer. May we all get beyond our pride of wanting to say we are right to we are one in Christ. Amen.

[mickrobinson]

I was baptized Greek Orthodox in 2003, I love my religion and the teaching it gives, I am proud to be orthodox.. Blessed love to my orthodox brothers and sisters 🙏☦️🙏☦️☦️.

[PiperMcPhersonTheWren]

I happen to be an Orthodox catechuman. I've considered going Roman Catholic, but it's not really a matter of my own choice. I love the Catholic Church, make no mistake about it. Orthodoxy was what brought me into faith after living a very long time in a distorted, inverted and sexually disordered lifestyle. I don't get militant about the technicalities or the politics that are more divisive than helpful, and I don't feel I have to argue about it. I don't agree with papal infallibility, and I admit it's been difficult shaking off my protestant upbringing.

[AndrewKendall]

Yeah, people who leave the church – this church or that – over scandal have forgotten that humanity is desperate and wicked, and that's why we pursue the truth of the gospel and need the Savior in the first place.

[ohtljeq]

The Eastern Orthodox (officially the Orthodox Catholics) do not outright reject the Papacy. The Orthodox believe that the Pope had a historical role as the primus inter pares among the patriarchs and believe this proper role should be restored to the Pope of Rome. However, they reject innovative teachings that have come from Rome with regard to the Papacy, most notably the dogma of Papal Infallibility (from Vatican I) and universal and supreme jurisdiction of the Pope. Both of these have no basis in the teachings of the Fathers, Greek or Latin. Hence, these are the main reasons the Orthodox cannot come into union with Rome.

[livmilesparanormalromanceb]

I’m Orthodox Christian but I love Catholics. I view them as brothers in arms during these tumultuous times. God bless you all 🙏

[rodrigohuaman]

Alternate title: Should we BEGOME ORDODOX?? :DDDD

[emidior]

this discussion would have been more interesting if you had an Eastern Orthodox convert as part of the discussion

[AnselmoFormolo]

I'm Maronite and we never left baby!

[samanthastudios]

We need to focus more on the political reasons for the split. Lets be real: the churches were basically split before 1054. Our present pope and cardinals need to start holding councils with the Orthodox. Please. God be with us.

[BBassistChrist]

This video missed an argument that I've been wrestling with which seemed implied in the title: why not convert to Eastern Orthodox? It could have addressed arguments about EO, but instead it spent the entire time defending the Papacy. For those who don't accept the Papacy, this doesn't do anything. So here's the argument that I've been wrestling with regarding Catholics converting to EO:

I always hear Catholics say (specifically when arguing against Protestants) that they have tradition and lineage which can be traced all the way back to the Disciples. I've seen lists of succession of the Pope from Peter to current day, but I've not really seen that list defended (I know that would be a long discussion to do). What instead I want to focus on is this concept of Catholics having tradition from the Disciples, because here's my problem with that claim: the Orthodox Church has the Church of Jerusalem (where Christianity started), the Church of Ethiopia (the first Gentile Church), the Church of Antioch (the first capitol of Christianity where we first got our names "Christians"), and the Church of Nicaea. What does Catholicism have? Only the Church of Rome. What makes Rome so much more special than the place of the early Counsels, or the First Capitol of Christendom, or the First Gentile Church, or especially the place where Jesus' own ministry was?

Beyond this argument, there are sub-sects within Orthodox which are far more Jewish than Catholics. I think the Church of Jerusalem and the Church of Ethiopia practice kosher and Saturday Sabbath. Now, I know that the disciples themselves decided in the Counsel of Jerusalem that these things were not necessary, but to me it does show a close link to the Jewish traditions.

If the reason Protestants should convert to Catholicism is this claim of history, then how does Catholicism have a better historical claim than Orthodoxy? Why shouldn't Protestants convert to Orthodoxy instead? Or even, why shouldn't Catholics convert to Orthodoxy?

[xpictos]

Any true believer who goes to an Orthodox Divine Liturgy after a modern mass will convert on the spot :)

[francescogorbechov]

Here’s food for thought. Let’s say Peter is indeed the rock upon which Christ built his church. BUT.... before Peter established the church in Rome, he was the first bishop of Antioch, and the Antiochian church is now a part of the Eastern Orthodox Communion. So why should peter being the rock give the Roman church legitimacy if the Orthodox have the first church Peter founded .

[francescogorbechov]

I am Catholic. But I do think the problem with sex abuse in the Catholic Church is disproportionately-higher than in other churches or organizations because there is an extremely-high number of homosexual men in the Catholic priesthood due to clerical celebacy, it attracts them

[Timespotz]

The Roman Catholic church and the Orthodox church belong together. We were one church for the first thousand years and I think God in his time will bring us back together. It seems in His providence that the two will come back together and mutually re-enrich and balance one another in their unique strengths, excesses and defects and we will be one body healed.

[angelicdoctor]

Matt Fradd has the BEST Catholic late night show on YouTube - excellent guests, informed discussion, well selected topics. I actually think, Matt, you could get a mandatum from the bishops, since your work is so good.

[abd_t]

It doesn’t matter if you are orthodox or not
At least you’re Christian

[franciscovasquez]

Trent horn should debate Jay Dyer. Orthodox vs Roman Catholicism.