The Filioque: Can There Be a Compromise?

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[OrthodoxNeshama]

My name is Tana'a. Please do pray for me. 🙏🏾

[Linda-tdsi]

Thank you for this exceptionally edifying teaching from Fr. Panayiotis Papageorgiou! It is much appreciated. God Bless!❤🙏☦💐

[diegoalejandro]

Best short video I have seen on the Filioque, thank you for this video and thanks to Father Panayiotis may he pray for us🙏🙏

[Christian-lmqh]

I’m Catholic and I’ve never heard the Filioque explained this way. Now I understand the problem.

[stevepa]

The Western interpretation of original sin is another, and maybe even greater, stumbling block in unification.

[mexicanguy]

I do not know if its okay if to ask for prayer here but my name is Hector if you guys don't mind praying for me

[Itasca]

Glory to God for all things! ☦️
Thank you for this illuminating exposition! ☦️

[henriettanovember]

The division of the Church is the saddest thing I think...Christ Jesus wanted for us to be One so that the world can believe...

[susananastasiastavros]

Thank you for this fine talk on the Holy Spirit, the third member of the Holy Trinity.

[Leo-ljvs]

I am Roman Catholic and also studied theology and my lecturer also did the same thing. When he said the creed, he did not say "proceeds from the Father and the Son.". I still say it but I will definitely research this topic again.

[dropsofink]

I have the feeling that the West is headed towards another pagan dark age. Thank you for making this important teaching available

[charlesiragui]

The silence of the West after the Germanic invasions: these tribes had all adopted Arianism, meaning that the rulers of the West were opposed to the orthodox/catholic church. This persisted through 508 when the first Germanic leader, Clovis, was converted to Catholicism. In Italy Arianism persisted through the middle of 7th century and in Spain the beginning of the 8th century. This means that the rulers of the West largely opposed the Councils through the 5th Ecumenical Council in 553.
Another historical point I would add: Charlemagne had himself crowned emperor in 800 in part because he claimed that the throne was empty, was currently usurped by a woman (Empress Irene). The 7th Ecumenical Council in 787 did not suffer from any defect in the eyes of people at that time because Irene had convoked it when she was merely regent for her son Constantine VI. Charlemagne therefore was not claiming to be emperor of the West but of the entire theoretical empire (then massively conquered by Islamic armies in both East and West).
These political points may seem irrelevant but it is a fact of Church history that the Councils were convoked by the emperor in every case, starting with Constantine the Great in 325AD. The emperor therefore has a kind of sacramental role as protector of the Faith, Peacemaker and Shepherd. This can be seen in the term Melkite, which in the Levant designated "the Imperial Church" as opposed to others in the region (Miaphysite or Nestorian).

[mariebo]

As a new Orthodox inquirer, Thank you for explaining this. It makes so much sense. Protestants hold to this because we’ve been ignorant on topic. But why does Rome still hold on to this when it’s so clear now??

[spectralflapjack]

Canon 7 of the Ecumenical Council of Ephesus in 431 declares Anathema to anyone who would alter the Nicene Creed. Filioque does exactly that.

[ssavv-ss]

From St. Maximos the Confessor, Letter to Marinus:

“Those of the Queen of cities [Constantinople] have attacked the synodal letter of the present very holy Pope [Martin I], not in the case of all the chapters that he has written in it, but only in the case of two of them. One relates to theology, because it says he says that ‘the Holy Spirit proceeds (ekporeusthai) also from the Son.’ . . .

“With regard to the first matter, they [the Romans] have produced the unanimous documentary evidence of the Latin fathers, and also of Cyril of Alexandria, from the sacred commentary he composed on the gospel of St. John. On the basis of these texts, they have shown that they have not made the Son the cause (aitian) of the Spirit — they know in fact that the Father is the only cause (aitian) of the Son and the Spirit, the one by begetting and the other by procession (ekporeusin); but [they use this expression] in order to manifest the Spirit’s coming-forth (proienai) through him and, in this way, to make clear the unity and identity of the essence (ousias). . .

“One should keep in mind that they cannot express their meaning in a language and idiom that are foreign to them as precisely as they can in their own mother-tongue, any more than we can do.”

You can see St Maximus the confessor points out that while some of the latin fathers are using the term “Filioque”, they do not mean that in the sense that modern Roman Catholics use it as the Son being a cause of the Holy Spirit… for it is known that the Father is the only cause.

[gerardmcgorian]

Your professor friend there was not alone. I'm a 63-year-old, thoroughly Jesuit educated, daily Mass going "Roman" Catholic (although I could really do without the "Roman" bit; I'm not a Latin-speaking citizen of a long-dead "empire"). And since I was about 18, I don't say the "filioque" during the Creed at Mass on Sunday, either. I can't be alone.

"Together with the Father and the Son, He is worshipped and glorified." Correct. So how on earth do we get to the Holy Spirit's proceeding "from" the Father AND the Son? Theological nonsense.
Our Orthodox brothers and sisters are correct; and we've had this wrong forever.

And as Steve below also pointed out, don't get me started on our entirely warped idea of "original sin".

[demetralilly]

I was told by a Jesuit priest when I was at Loyola university that priest were disallowed marriage so their inheritance would go to the church & the church would gain riches.

[gottliebgrubber]

In simple term, Filioque is not Monotheism since there are two sources of Divinity for another Divinity to exist .. it is pure and simple Polytheism

[Paul]

Catholic University of America Press has a series of Fathers of the Church. 100+ Volumes.

[TheodoreIosifidis-gxqb]

What Charlemagne did to Irene should be considered the largest hit to women’s rights what he did to to priests by making them celibate was just as bad