Is the Filioque heretical?

[roshankurien]

The Latins had a different understanding of aitia(cause) than the Greeks. To the Latins, the term was used in a very general sense to refer to ANY cause (first cause, second cause, third cause, etc.). That was according to their philosophical tradition. However, the Greeks, while understanding the same philosophical tradition, had a very restrictive understanding of aitia in the realm of theology. To the Greeks, in the realm of theology, the term aitia refers ONLY to the First Cause or Source - i.e., God the Father. I hope you can see the inherent problem this caused. The Latins did not conceive of the Son as Source or First Cause of the Holy Spirit when they used the term aitia, and the Greek Fathers who signed the decrees probably understood this. But can you imagine what your average Greek Christian would think reading that decree, without being privy to the discussions at Florence? If the average Greek Christian read it, he would think the decree was stating that the Son is the Source, like the Father, of the Holy Spirit. St. Mark of Ephesus would not be able to shed any light on the matter because IIRC, he left the Council without having heard all the deliberations. Hence, even though the Decree of Florence explicitly distinguishes between aitia and arche (referring to the Son as aitia, and the Father as arche, we have St. Mark of Ephesus in his letter against the Union accusing the Council of making the Son "cause and source."

[roshankurien]

. The best analogy I've seen is a game of catch between father and son: the father may throw the ball thus initiating the game, but without the son's participation there is no game of catch. So the son causes the tossing of a ball to become a game of catch even though he is not the one who initiated the game.

[cheesedtomeetyou]

Interesting how there’s no theological arguments here using scripture or tradition. Just “other latin churches used it and accepted it”.

[Ryotenian]

Further more, Canon 2 of the 3rd Council of Toledo stated that Iberian mass must recite the Filioque, and this occur in 589.

[sonicallenjosh]

I 100% agree with this talk that claim filioque is heresy backfires western church fathers theologians affirmed the filioque centuries in first milenia, eastern church did break so much deal of this till photios and celarius shows that filioque wasn’t big issue, great talk

[LordOldemort]

The Filioque is a contradiction against ORTHODOXY because the LATIN church accepts it? 😅 this guy even kinda pauses himself when he said this, he knows his own bullsxxt lol

[bobbobb]

There are some church fathers who affirmed the Filioque, and there are many who didn’t affirm it. The thing is the church as a whole condemned it, and the council of Ephesus condemns changing the Nicene-Constantinople creed.

The Spanish and Frankish churches did recite the Filioque earlier, but Rome only added it in 1024. The eastern patriarchs always condemned it as heretical, and in 1054 Rome excommunicated the eastern churches, and was excommunicated back because of it.

[wormius]

The Western Churches knew it was Biblical and added it for that reason. The Eastern Churches said it wasn’t in their tradition and no one else had mentioned it beforehand, therefore it was wrong.

[thegamerj]

No, but the Filloque is divinely revealed to us by God through the Catholic Church. Filloque is correct 👍

[eturnall]

To deny the holy spirit comes from the son is the unforgivable sin he warned us of

[daglasan]

" I am the Spirit of Truth who issues from the Father and sent by the Son, Jesus Christ; We are one Substance and one Power and one Knowledge and since We are one God alone We converse and give knowledge in the same manner and in the same terms; this great knowledge is transmitted to you filled with love; " Problem solved

[BasedFatChad]

It’s not heretical because the Roman church holds it true? That’s not a very compelling argument to people who don’t hold to papal infallibility. “It’s true because we say it’s true!” I’m not positive I think the filioque is heretical, this clip did nothing to make me believe that it is not, though.

[Moskal]

Hello brother, I was wondering what you had to say about the Catholic rebuttal that even after Rome affirmed the fillioque the East did not break communion for a long time and this "proves" that the fillioque was not a big deal?

[StevenAzoro]

Why would you just open your mouth and pray for someone to die and suffer eternal damnation?? 🤦

[Agora]

Doesn't this guy attend the Eastern Catholic divine liturgy?

[andrew.]

Hey, can you make a video to defend the Pope from the accusations that he's against conversion. Many sedes try to quote something he said in a conversation, which involved proselytizing and conversion too. When the woman said " I converted two boys" and the Pope got angry because He thought it was proselytism. Thks.

[johnxina]

Then why didn't the West excommunicate the East for their rejection of the Filioque 😂

[MikeyAGoGo]

If the Orthodox were correct and the Holy Spirit only comes through the Father, then jesus can't speak to us. That sounds funny to me.

[ryuzaki____]

The filioque was added to the original Creed which is a violation

[hellenicspirit]

Brother, you’re too green and young to be discussing these topics. Pull your head in.