The Orthodox Actually AGREE With the Filioque?! ☦️

[bobbobb]

The Orthodox do believe the Holy Spirit proceeds through the Son, but just as the fathers say, causation is from the Father alone.

[xpictos]

That’s fine. Change your creed to “through the Son” from “and the Son” (as and implies in the same way), then we’ll have a major hurdle to reunion gone. God bless from Holy Orthodoxy!

[oronk]

Dude, stop this. Of course the holy spirit travels through Jesus Christ, he is God as man. But biblically it mentions the holy spirit travelling through him coming from the father (John 15:26.)

[Christos_Kurios]

Filioque means "and the Son"
Per Filium would mean "through the Son"

C'mon, Alex, let's be honest here.

[JoKn]

Love your videos bro, when Sam Shamounian, another brother in Christ says “my brother sounds like rocky, “yo Adrian”” I died 😂

[andymccaffrey]

Bro just ignores the Cappadocian fathers

[Breadnamreal]

The Holy Spirit proceeds only from the Father because that’s what scripture suggests. It would be theologically correct to say that the Spirit proceeds from the Father through the Son, as we see in John 14:16–17, but not to suggest that the Spirit originates from them both:

“And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you forever—the Spirit of truth.”

The original Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed stated only that the Spirit proceeds from the Father. The Filioque — Latin for “and the son”— was added first by Syrian Christians but eventually became part of the Western creed. It began to rise to prominence in the West after it was used in Toledo, Spain, probably to combat a heresy in the region known as Arianism, which taught that the Son was a created being and subordinate to the Father.

The only problem was that now the Spirit was subordinated to the Father and the Son. The result is obvious today in many Western churches, where Jesus and God the Father are spoken of abundantly, but the Spirit is sometimes almost an afterthought.

In the 11th century, the Filioque was used for the first time in Mass in Rome, and that led to a deep division between the Eastern and Western churches.

Not only did they perceive the theology of the Holy Spirit differently, but the East was perturbed that the Western churches had essentially changed the Creed, something that was forbidden by the very councils that developed the Creed. The conflict was one of the factors that led to the schism between what would become the Catholic and Orthodox churches in 1054.

So to answer the question, the Orthodox version of the Creed sees the Father as the source of all things, with the Son eternally begotten of the Father and the Spirit proceeding from the Father. In a sense, they are the right and left hands of the Father. They’re not subordinate to him or less than him; they simply originate in him and flow out from him.

[TimothyNegrete]

Refuting Catholic quote Mines

St Theodore Of Canter
Council of Hatfield, 680 AD

The Council of Hatfield was a local synod in England, not an ecumenical council, and its statements lack the authority to define universal doctrine. St. Theodore, a Greek monk trained in the Eastern tradition, likely intended any reference to procession as an economic statement—describing the Spirit’s mission in the world—rather than an eternal, ontological procession from both Father and Son. The Nicene Creed, as ratified at Constantinople (381), which Theodore would have upheld, contains no filioque, and there is no evidence he sought to alter it. Western councils like Hatfield reflect a regional tendency to blur economic and eternal categories, a trend foreign to the Eastern Fathers and the early Church’s consensus.


St Epiphanius of Salamis

The Man Well-Anchored 75 [A.D. 374]).

Is an Eastern Father, must be read in context. His language often pertains to the Spirit’s role in salvation history (the economic Trinity), not His eternal origin. In Panarion, he combats heresies like Arianism by emphasizing the Spirit’s consubstantiality with Father and Son, not by defining a dual procession. The phrase "from the Father and the Son" can be interpreted as the Spirit’s temporal sending through the Son (e.g., John 15:26), not an eternal procession. Epiphanius elsewhere affirms the Father as the sole source (arche), consistent with the Cappadocian theology dominant in the East. The filioque reading imposes a later Western lens on an Eastern text.


St Gregory of Nyssa (PG 45, 133 B-C)

Is a Cappadocian Father, is a pillar of Eastern Trinitarian theology and explicitly upholds the monarchy of the Father. In Against Eunomius, he distinguishes the Spirit’s eternal procession from the Father alone from His manifestation "through the Son" in time. The phrase "through the Son" (dia tou Huiou) reflects the Spirit’s economic role, not a dual eternal origin. Gregory’s theology consistently guards against subordinating the Spirit or blurring the Father’s unique role as the unoriginate source. 


3rd homily on the Lord's prayer

The Lord’s Prayer addresses God the Father, and Gregory’s reflections emphasize the Spirit’s work in prayer and sanctification as proceeding from the Father, with the Son as mediator. Any mention of the Son’s involvement is economic—how the Spirit operates in the world—not ontological. To claim this supports the filioque distorts Gregory’s intent, as he never departs from the Eastern consensus that the Father alone is the source of the Godhead.


St Cyril of Alexandria

Thesaurus

St. Cyril of Alexandria’s Thesaurus is that it doesn’t support the filioque. Cyril’s references to the Spirit as "from the Father and the Son" pertain to His temporal mission (economic Trinity), not eternal procession, which he reserves for the Father alone. The Catholic reading misinterprets Cyril by conflating these categories, ignoring his adherence to the Nicene Creed and the Eastern emphasis on the Father’s monarchy.


St Athanasius

This phrasing (possibly misattributed or altered) emphasizes the Spirit’s divinity and consubstantiality with the Son and Father, not His eternal procession. In his authentic works, like Letters to Serapion, Athanasius teaches that the Spirit proceeds from the Father alone, with no hint of a double procession. The Orthodox argue this quote reflects equality of nature, not origin, and the filioque misreads it by projecting a Western innovation onto an Eastern Father committed to the Father’s sole monarchy.

[TheWildLamb]

Christ is the bridge between the physical and spiritual

God the Father is the light,
Christ the prism
And the Holy Spirit the rainbow of colours manifesting through each of God's people.

[Theotokos.Blessed]

Revelation 22:1 Galatians 4:6 and Luke 24:49 just wanna clarify that proceed means to come from source

[richierich]

If the Catholics and orthodox are so close to the original truth. … why is it all Greek and Roman ???? Like Jews besides the 12 deciples and Jesus and Mary it’s all Roman n Greek saints if there so close to the truth where are the Jews and the Hebrew prayers and traditions? it’s kinda seems like the Romans took over Christianity and started making all kinds of rules that are not in the Bible … not saying I’m right but I’m getting those vibes.

[SenseShady]

Filioque is not through the son it is from the son. You like to lie a lot I noticed. The spirit proceeds i.e emanation from the FATHER ALONE. The spirit goes through the son, but that does not mean the source energy is the son, that would mean there is two sources and two holy spirits

[Hov_Armenian]

I am Oriental Orthodox and I love infinitely my Catholic brothers and sisters and follow you in youtube and enjoy your videos

but as far as I know, Filioque doesn’t mean through the Son (which is the position of Oriental Orthodox churches) but it straightly means AND THE SON

of course I don’t argue this kind of stuff for I wanna keep myself as humble as I can

I hold the position of my church and will not say that Filioque is true
but I will never think that I have the authority to argue that it is false

I am just silent when it comes to this kinda stuff

God bless you brother

[johnketema]

"and through the Son" is "et per filium". Because the creed says "ex patre", the "filioque" should be translated as "and from the Son"

[gaddielfilms]

Bro economia can be eternal, nothing to do with causation

[pressandplayv]

Hi voice of reason, I just wanted to say thank you, as well as going over a refutation of john 3:5 "refering to being born of water = natural child birth"

[yaponetsa]

Nop. Holly Spirit proceedeth ONLY from the Father.

[CalebThornhill]

If the Father and the Son share a trait that the Spirit does not have, then it's exclusive to the two of them. It would mean the Spirit is subordinate to them and not co-equal.

[cinaedmacseamas]

Our Lord said that He would send rhe Comforter. He sends the Comforter from the Father.

So one may not say that the Holy Spirit proveeds from the Father _alone_ because the Son exercizes agency.

[Theleague]

What’s funny is if you go further and further back all relates to Catholics etc