What's the Difference between Ness and Lucas? (SSBU)

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Uhh... PK Fire?

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Bein' Friends | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Dangerous Guys | Mother 3
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Gentle Rain | Mother 3
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It's pretty simple, actually. One is famous in the west and the other's game wont be released there.

markm.

simple.
ness’s dad is a telephone.
and lucas’s dad is chuck norris.

res

Anyone: Makes a video about Lucas
The comments:
“Haha lucas mom dead”
“Haha game not localized”

scratch

For pk Fire, ness does the Dodon Ray while Lucas does the kamehameha

eziashit

Lucas's crouch Pose looks like he's about to dash. In Mother 3, when you press the Dash button, it looks like the crouch he does in smash bros ultimate

firespark

I'm more of a Lucas person, but I really love both characters. Ness and Lucas is a great example of having a shared idea for a moveset but at the same time making them feel like 2 entirely seperate characters.

MonadoJoJo

“What’s the difference between Ness and Lucas”
Me:Ness has a hat and Lucas looks like Rick Astley

sleeparalala

"Lucas' PK Fire is a single burst"

Combo Counter: "That's two hits, my dude."

artstrange

As a lucas player i thought i'd add a few things,

- you can also cancel magnet with jump as u heal.
- his down throw doesn't actually bury, you can set the opp to 999 and its still the same, and it isn't affected by mash either, its purely aesthetic.
- Calling his uthrow nothing special isn't true, it kills midweights around 140 ish, making it one of the strongest uthrows in the game.
- His fthrow is also a kill throw, although typically uthrow will kill a percents sooner, but will kill earlier on TnC.
- His usmash has head intangibility frames 15-29 and full body invincibility frame 1-7. Also coined the strongest usmash in the game.

Some more in-depth opinions on which is better
Magnet
- Magnet has much less combo untility compared to ness, only allowing really magnet to datk at 0.
- magnet is the safest non-projectile move in the game (more so than Mario's atks, Lucario aura nair, shotos nair etc.). allowing for plenty of shield pressure. it is 0 on shield, so you can magnet the top on their shield and if they dont have an option oos faster than frame 7, u can uair them (which is also safe).
- Magnet apparently can auto turnaround at times, I'm not too knowledgeable about how it works though.
- when the opponent is airborne, the pull increases dependent on the opponent's percentage. Good for anti-ledgetrapping, reverse edgeguarding ( pulling them into a bair).

Thunder
- the term you didn't use was that it's transcendent. Its a much better edgeguarding tool but a much worse juggling tool. also when recovering it won't hit opponents and make you fall to your death. Pk thunder 2 also has trouble with all hits connecting too.

Pk fire
- when pk fire cranks with another projectile it actually explodes and makes a burst towards the enemy actually hitting them. Not sure if ness does that.
- It also pushes lucas a bit in the air (similar to gunner fair, corrin bair). (also not sure if ness does that)
- airial version has much more landing lag (as its meant to be used further away compared to ness's)
- outside of playing idiots, it's mainly used as an edgeguarding tool (also tech chasing and jump callouts), and can actually kill decently early.

Uair
- While both have amazing combos, his is a single hit making it so they won't fall out (#fixmultihits). It has a decent disjoint on the back of the head allowing for his uair to actually beat palu's nair.
- Although ness's uair kills a lot earlier than lucas's

utilt
- Lucas's is faster, acts similar to a zss utilt by being a quick get off me tool and putting the opponent into the air.
- Although has much less combo ability, with the only combos being frame perfect fh uairs at low-mid percentages.
- Ness's has a sour spot that may be hit against grounded opponents, while lucas's sourspot is the delay hit (meaning if you get hit by the horizontal hitbox while grounded, it will always pop the opponent into a sweetspot.)

Datk
- lucas's can hit under the ledge (but not all characters)

Ftilt
- Is pretty disjointed but isn't that long.
- Solid 2 -framing move/extended ledge hang.
- The sweet spot kills a bit earlier, but the sourspot doesnt really kill at all. (Although ness's ftilt is surprisingly strong).
- is -8 when spaced, making link's upb the only move in the game that can punish it on shield when spaced right. (Ness's is -17)

Neutral b
- Ness can actually combo from his bc of the high freeze frame (if he lands it close).

Fsmash
- lucas's also reflects projectiles slightly sooner, although for slightly less duration.

SH/FH time
- It takes ness a lot longer to do sh, fh, shff, fh ff. one of the reason's why he can spam so much

Other/Gameplay/Who should you chose
- Lucas has: Better edgeguarding with all aerials being amazing(dair you don't have to time, bair spikes and is disjointed and lasts relatively long(good at reverse edgeguarding, nair is really good at dragging opponents, fair is really strong), and all specials being useful. Better recovery with tether and long upb. He typically plays more defensively (although he can play both very well), but he can't "spam as much", many of his moves has tipper so u have to space and his burst options are kinda meh (pivot filt > datk all the time and dash grab is kinda bad). Although technically his moves are safer on shield, but ness can "spam more" making them harder to punish. He doesn't have as many true combos, mostly mixups are harder techs like dair loops, nair loops, djcz loops, dtilt loops. In general, it's harder to close stocks with Lucas. Lucas's oos isn't as good with frame 10 nair, frame 12 fair, frame 1-8 invincible usmash that comes out on frame 28 (tank through spammers), while ness's nair is frame 8 and has a better hitbox and sets up for tech chases.

While i don't think there is one that is exclusively better, as both has there strong points and it comes down to a matter of playstyle. (Although low-key, i think ness is better despite being a lucas player).

dustyacer

*Ness' Starstorm meteors are stronger and bigger than Lucas' but Lucas has faster and more numerous meteors aside from being easier to control. Also Ness' Starstorm always begins at the middle of the stage while Lucas' always starts above him. This creates an interesting effect when used at a high height...

*Lucas has the better recovery since his PK Thunder isn't as gimpable as Ness and PK Thunder 2 sends him nearly twice as much distance as Ness'.

*Lucas' PK fire has actual kill potential especially offstage while Ness' can't kill at all except in mid-air. (without followups)

*Lucas is not floatier than Ness

*Lucas has faster base speed than Ness but Ness has a tad bit better acceleration.

*Lucas' voice isn't as annoying as Ness' (imo).

Edit: some corrections due to mistakes on my part (anything beyond this point are additional ones that I forgot)

*Ness' PK Thunder moves faster than Lucas'

*Ness has a stronger reflector (fsmash).

psionics

9:51 "As for everything else, they're nothing special"
Lucas has 3 kill throws. THREE

piman

One psi user is a spammer of fire the other is a spammer of ice

moussacamara

Whenever i hear Lucas say "PK FIRE" it makes me wanna write a song about it...

niffuM

“For PK Thunder, when measuring the distance, Lucas seems to go a little bit further”

What do you mean “a bit further” he traveled like double ness’s distance

yeetyeet

Fun fact(s): Ness' PSI attacks (Nuteral Air/Dash attacks) are actually PSI Rockin', an exclusive PSI only obtainable for him. Same with Lucas, but with PK Love, shared with Claus.

OMOCarlos