Is There Biblical Support for Molinism?

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Dr. Craig answers a question about resolving the tension between divine providence and human free will and if Molinism's task in doing so is biblically supported.

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I've heard this man many sermons. Finally found who he was. One of the coolest voice on explaining biblical knowledge. He can read the whole NKJV bible & discuss., 👍👍👍

tyrooneyfromdababooney
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Thank you very much Dr. Craig! Your insight is greatly appreciated and will be applied throughout.

Also: I love your outro.

Theos_thinker
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There are also subjunctive conditionals that are good and necessary inferences from biblical scripture, for example, that, were we left to ourselves to freely choose for or against God in any circumstances, we would invariably choose against, in the infralapsarian sense (post-fall) because, for redemption and judgment to be in view before creation, the universal fall of human beings would have to be in view. Only by the gracious touch of the Spirit are we able and willing to freely choose God. As Jesus himself clearly put it, “you did not choose me, but I chose you” (John 15:16).

dcouric
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Ephesians 1:11-12 teaches middle-knowledge because it says that v11 "made an inheritance, having been predestined" [...] "to the end" [are] v12 "we who *first* have hoped in Christ".

In other words: God knowing who will hope in Him comes *first* and then we are made and inheritance having been predestined to the end of glorifying him

michaelg
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There is for the Victorious Gospel aka HCU

jhq
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If in a game of chess one player can anticipate the other player's moves even though both players have free will, it is logical that The Omniscient and All Powerful God is able to anticipate all moves of all players in the war between Good and evil in which we live, and in which everyone has free will.

alexmala
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I'm fairly convinced of Molinism but I don't find Craig's arguments in this video convincing:
1) 0:35 I I suspect Jesus was merely using common sense when he said that to Pilate. He was describing the difference between temporary kingdoms and eternal ones.
2) 1:00 How do we know David's soothsayer was giving divine knowledge? He could have been a fraud.
3) 3:00 Again I think Jesus was using common sense. He was saying how religious pride kept people from him, whereas tax collectors and sinners, and Sodomites, came to him.

TimCrinion
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Scripture is clear that God knows the beginning from the end, in other words, He knows the future and He knows our futures. So, if there is only one possible future, then we are merely robots following a pre-programmed algorithm and not humans with free will. If free will is true, as the Bible also teaches, then each of us must have a nearly infinite number of possible futures. I believe that a God who is infinite in power and infinite in knowledge could know all the infinite possible combinations of futures for all mankind. I don't know if this is Molinism or not, it's just what I believe scripture teaches.

brianbulger
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There's a reason this video is so short!

EricGreniervideo
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Dr james White Said:

To those who defend monolism To let people know that who they are is determined by someone or something other than god.

sorrowinchrist
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Aw i mksread the title, he's not going to talk about native american jews

Greyz
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If God is unarguably the most important and talked about subject and you believe the idea of the creator of the creation is fantasy or dogma of faith that belongs to religion is because the cult deceived you manipulating the information with disastrous consequences. The idea of God belongs to philosophy or rational thinking and all societies have an understanding of the intelligent creator of the creation, that atheists don't "believe" exists. The use of the verb "believe" betrays the intention to make others believe that the idea of God is "supernatural" fantasy that belongs to religion. If you heard a noise would you "believe" or "know" it was caused by something?. I know God exists because it is impossible logically the existence of the creation without the creator because nothing can be created from nothing, however the concept of religion is so absurd and ridiculous that only fools willing to believe whatever for the empty promise of eternal happiness would not understand the deception. If christians don't know when the Bible was written is because the cult wants you ignorant believing in the impossible to not discover the deception to hurt you. To profess christianity without knowing when the Bible was written would be like jumping from a cliff without having been informed what is under, utter foolishness. Atheists would not be able to prove their own existence to themselves if the logical conclusion is that God exists and lose their children believing without questions asked that gambling causes a brain disease, and when they are told they don't care. Who benefits having an imbecile society that don't care if innocent and vulnerable children are deceived and hurt? Would you listen to me because I may know something that you don't and I escaped out of the cults inmune to arguments of religion and atheism being honest? To find God and the truth only to think for oneself is necessary. Would you memorize a logical fallacy to preserve knowledge and not lie to innocent and vulnerable children? Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Future generations would understand, so why don't you? To end the war in Ukraine the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news.

michelangelope
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So all you have is some vague inference from a narrative to support this idea.

Stowerslemalu
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In the story Dr. Craig is referring to, isn't David the same who became King David after slaying Goliath?
He was a Christian right? Why would a Christian like David consult a soothsayer? Isn't that was a grave sin?

mugsofmirth
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What is necessary for free will are options. But if God creates a World where He knew that you would do X, then it is because He wants that World to exist. Once the World has been created and you did Y instead of X, then God would have a different World than the World which He chose to create. Furthermore, God would also be wrong in His Knowledge of what you would do. And God being wrong is impossible.

The point is this: — Once the World has been created, there is no freedom of will to do different-from or other-than what God knew you would do. You are completely locked into doing what God knew you would do. Thus, there is no free will.

If there are free will options in the World, then it could only be on the basis of a God who does not know for certain what you would do.

TheMirabillis
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there is no Biblical support for Molinism, there is support for open theism that WLC denies.

aaronhaskins