Jay Dyer and the Error of Sola Fide (clip)

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In this clip Jay goes over the problems and internal contradictions within the reformed theological doctrine of Sola Fide. Make sure to check it out and let me know what you think.
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[specialcombatdefensivetact]

Taking up my cross, sounds like work to me, working out my salvation, sounds like work to me. Suffering for His name's sake sounds like work to me, keeping and obeying God's commandments, sounds like work to me. Forgiving and loving your enemies sounds like work to me, repenting, and self-denial, sounds like work to me, presenting my body as a living sacrifice sounds like work to me, renewing my mind, sounds like work to me. Doing good works sounds like work to me! Visiting and praying for the sick sounds like work to me, feeding the hungry and clothing the naked sounds like work to me, visiting and caring for the widows sounds like work to me. Praying unceasingly sounds like work to me. Fatih without works is dead, amen.

[shane]

Get you someone who looks at you the way David Patrick Harry looks at Jay Dyer

[dan-lansingmi]

Paul said to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. James said faith without works is dead. It is sad when Calvinists say that simply believing is work. For God so loved the world that whoever believes ...

[driftless]

I would like to learn more about this topic. Can you reccomend any books to get me started?

[sabrinafair]

I don’t understand the meaning of Matthew 27:46? Why does Christ cry out “why hast thou forsaken me?” I’m confused :(

[JR-gjkb]

Does the Orthodox Church believe people in general and other believers outside of the Orthodox Church are condemned? And if they don’t, what is the ultimate point of it being the one true church and being apart of it if salvation and a relationship with Christ can be attained outside of it?

[choppy]

Was Jesus’ humanity created or uncreated?

[dubbelkastrull]

So it has to be created if it is temporal?
Don't you believe the eternal energies can act temporally?

[ryanhwang]

Jay’s point is really terrible on multiple points.

1) Citing Genesis 15 instead of Genesis 12

Which verse should Paul even choose to cite from Genesis 12?

Genesis 12 1~3 is God’s calling and Genesis 12:4 is “So Abram went, as the Lord had told him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he set out from Harran”.

Jay thinks it’s more sensible of Paul to cite Abraham’s work to argue his point that justification is by faith apart from works, instead of Genesis 15:6 “Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness”.

2) Filthy rags

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ – the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith

Wow, what a liar for Paul to say he has no righteousness of his own, but only has righteousness from God on the basis of faith.

3) God the liar

Is it so hard for people to understand that saying “I believe in Christianity” is not faith.

Matthew 7:21 ~ 23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, ’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Sidenote) If you are saved due to faith and work, is your work truly good in any sense? What do you think of kids that do chores to eat snack, companies that donate to get tax incentives, works you do for rewards?

[tricord]

John 3:16 For God So Loved the World [16] “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:14-15 [14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, [15] that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. John 6:29 [29] Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” John 6:39 [39] And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. John 6:40 [40] For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”John 6:47 [47] Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

[justinking]

Dyer’s exegesis of the text is horrific

[justinking]

Also, his understanding of Reformed theology is a caricature, at best. It seems he’s traded one form of fundamentalism for another.