Nietzsche Was Wrong! #thesymbolicworld #jonathanpageau #symbolism

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[s.novozhilov]

I talked with one: he claimed that true Ubermensch just didn't come yet and current people are unable to become one. So they are basically Messianic 😂

[krisymar]

Who could listen to Jonathan all day, everyday? So brilliant

[AidanRKelly]

It seems to me that in order to “create your own values, ” you would have to choose between possible values, in which case you would have to either be completely arbitrary in your choice or else make your choice based upon some deeper value. Otherwise, what prompts you to “create” this value and not that one? I don’t really see how you could transcend values altogether in order to create your own.

[ubeerman]

Careful what you say. You Father and Son. ❤

[arono]

I’d appreciate if people who are critical of Nietzsche’s prognosis also speak to where they think he went wrong in his diagnosis.

[AA-gwwd]

I don’t think we can assert new values apriori but I do think that as the cosmos reveals itself to us, we can discern the direction it’s headed and also where we want it to go, extract values from that and then negotiate with reality the values that we will live by. Sometimes those values will be adaptive and some time they will not, the uberminch is the man who has chosen wisely.

[foodchewer]

Nietzsche would probably agree with you that our causality is anchored in something that makes us exist. Didn't he think free will was a myth? As far as I know, he didn't think you'd just arbitrarily make your own values, you had to listen to your body, your intuitions, and be profoundly aware of your social, historical, and cosmic horizons.

[josepheridu]

Nietzsche was one of those people that was right about a few observations but so wrong about how to "fix" it. Marx is another example. Nietzsche got crazy when he had empathy for a horse being beaten, realizing his heartless ideology was not sustainable.

[He.knows.nothing]

Nietzsche was wrong, they're not subjective, but they're also not objective in the sense that they emerge in all people the same way. They emerge through the same mechanics, more or less, but not the same mechanisms. Values as emergent I believe to be transjective by nature, which I think is better understood with frameworks that allow for relativity if you can do away with the biases that come from that word being applied to "anything goes" metaphysics/meta ethics.

[universalflamethrower]

If you do Vipassana they idea is that you pull yourself out of the mud by your own hair, impossible

[astrazola]

Nietzche was blinded by vanity, beside all his genius and a beautiful soul he was. His own quote, ,convictions are worse enemies of the Truth then lies'' got him. Jesus says judge the trees by its fruit, and his fruit was a sickness both mental and physical

[ivancampos]

Great analysis. People these days arbitrarily invent their own values and it’s not going well.

[ronishchaudhary]

Ouroboros proves that I can eat my tail. It’s the final incarnation.

[brianbridges]

So we dont have free will, we cant choose our own purpose, its encoded in us.

[cmaslan]

Yes, but you can find and unlock your inner nature as whell as learn and acquire outher natures or you can try to master, mend and improve it(mostly not by augments), making the most with what you given or what is already made, not causing yourself but finding and bettering yourself....
Whatever you are.

[jesuschristislord]

I've never understood the worship of this guy.

[manubishe]

AFAIK *people would have to, not that people would.

[ishmael]

It's Nietszche - Uh, not Nietszcheeee

[srijanagrawal]

You're being too definitive, there's a lot of mystery left in all things. It's certainly not a foregone conclusion that you cannot transcend yourself and your nature completely

[lucacuradossi]

Nietzsche believed in embracing your true nature. Christianity isnt human nature just like any other story. Nietzsche didnt believe in free will but his philosophy gives you a way to live in accordance to the true nature instead of an idealistic story that creates lots of sorrow among people because they are being lied to and expect somthing else from the world