Beyond Order: Montreal Lecture | Jonathan Pageau | EP 262

We had the honor of having our dear friend Jonathan Pageau host this Beyond Order lecture in Montreal on May 23rd, 2022. Jonathan opens the show by describing how he first heard (and subsequently met) Jordan. This event, then, serves as a continuation of the conversations they first had. Throughout this hour-and-a-half-long event, Dr. Peterson and Jonathan Pageau discuss perception, symbolism, values, and the relationship between perception and the cognitive scientist’s attempts to understand consciousness.

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—Chapters—
0:00 — Intro
4:55 — Dr. Peterson enters the stage
8:00 — Perception, Cognitive Science, and the problem of bodyless AI
11:30 — The visual cliff experiment & perceiving the world
18:30 — The awe of infinity & complexity of the Heavens
21:00 — Awe, imitation, & why humans celebrate
28:00 — The role of sacrifice & delaying gratification
32:00 — Egyptian gods & ancient symbolism
36:00 — Pyramids vs. mountains in The Bible
44:00 — The cost of not aiming properly
52:30 — Bottom-up vs. top-down conceptualizations of the world
57:00 — Sam Harris
1:05:00 — Why the Diversity, Inclusivity, and Equity types are taking on STEM
1:10:00 — Is it possible to create values from scratch? Nietzsche, Freud, & Jung
1:16:00 — Why go to church?
1:22:00 — Q&A

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[Intercaust]

Thank you Dr. Peterson. I am coming up on 4 years sober thanks to your books and lectures. You helped save my life. God bless you.

[TonyKeepingItClean]

Dr Peterson, thank you very much. I’ve got my life back on track because of you. I was a homeless drug addict and alcohol with mental health problems. I have now managed to live a peaceful and productive life. It’s not perfect, I live in a caravan and I do a menial job. As a result of listening to you and reading your books, I now have goals, and a future, and I do t want to die anymore. In my world that’s a success. God bless you sir.

[eli_escoto_]

Walks the stage before sitting down, getting a good look at the crowd. A legend is among us.

[markmccusker]

The lucidity of Jordan’s perspectives is always refreshing. Not to mention the honesty. Thanks.

[KarolynaABCMultiserviciosB]

I am a Woman, mother grandmother and its just blow my mind his wisdom in all sense, I have a enormous gratitude for having him for guide the new generation that so much need him . Thank you god for giving us people as these two great men . ❤️😇

[ShelbiBudish]

Hello Dr. Peterson 👋😊 Just wanted to repeat (as many others have) that your work has helped so many of us, myself included. Your biblical series was a godsend. After a lifetime of intractable depression I've finally found peace; for that I will always be grateful to you for pointing me in the right direction.

It might sound silly since most of us fans don't know you personally but many of us keep you in our prayers. And although you might not know it sometimes, especially when the twitter roaches come out in force against you, you have a multitude of grateful people behind you actively trying to better themselves and the world.

I look forward to hearing you speak in November. Thank you and God bless you.

Edit (12/19/22, after attending his lecture): I am still very grateful for all of the invaluable help I received from Dr. Peterson. That won't change. If you are religious, please pray for this man.

[johnk]

Thank God for JBP.
I can only imagine the benefits of his insight as a person in their early 20s.

As a man in his early 50s,
all I can say is;
Better late than never!

[brians]

I can't stop smiling watching and listening to this. Thank God for these two men. They are weaving together a unified vision of science and religion that our world needs desperately right now to avoid the abyss.

[brandonhobratschk]

Dr. Peterson, there are countless millions praying for you daily!

[DerredmaxTRIAX]

What a grand human, he restores a little hope in humanity every time I listen to his lectures. Love you Jordan!

[prestachio]

I’m 22 and Jordan along with David goggins has helped me understand the importance of striving to be better and the importance in aiming at a higher aim then where you’re at right now. They both pulled me out of a very bad mindset and depression when I was 20 and ever since I’ve been working on myself and I’ve seen a compete 180 in my relationships and outlook towards the world!

[CMDR-Cody]

Pageau is one of the greats. I am glad he is getting some real attention beyond the orthodox Christian audience.. I didn't become orthodox because of him but he really helped me understand Christianity in a way that most westerners will never understand. When you open your eyes to the symbolic world it becomes very hard not change the way you live.

[wondergirls]

I have 9 month old boy/girl twin grand babies.🥰🥰😇😇
What a joy life is going to be watching these little gifts grow into adults.🙏

[davidallemand]

I love reading all of the comments/testimonials when Dr J.P. Puts out content. God must be pleased with all the love J.P. has helped manifest in the world.

[Mecharocca]

Being there was a real treat.
Running into friends at the show you had no clue also liked his work was the cherry on top.
Thank you!

[chrisc]

"In order to protect the vulnerable from evil, you have to be oriented to the highest that the cosmos has to offer"

What a beautiful ideal, and what a damning condemnation of those that claim to protect the weak without orienting to the highest (lgbt/blm/etc)

[mirceanicula]

I've watched Dr. Peterson for many years now and every time I come back to his lectures and ideas it astonishes me how on point he is. He's one of the few people that really understands reality in my opinion.

[mahgirbsti]

Just bought Beyond Order and all three volumes of the Gulag Archipelago. Jordan Peterson has taught us more about being a mature adult than most people have dreamed to learn in school.

[maureenmckenzie]

Jordan has been giving my thoughts words for so many years, and I feel blessed to be able to listen.🇨🇦

[ptixs]

Man I just can't keep up, each video he releases I want to listen to 10 times over to fully understand and absorb the truths he is illuminating for us all to see. My life has changed from finding the next moment of happiness, to discovering the truths and meanings behind life, which I feel is so much more fulfilling to me