What ATHEISTS get WRONG most of the time about the moral argument!

Sam Harris is a popular atheist who makes an argument that human flourishing is a good thing. How can Frank argue with that? Of course, human flourishing is a good thing! The problem is not Sam’s conclusion, but his starting point. What is the basis to define what is good and what will make humans flourish? Check this out!

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[rileycj]

The thumbnail king taking it easy these days wherever he is.

[Kaymen]

If God does not exist, The Rise of Skywalker is not objectively bad.

The Rise of Skywalker is objectively bad.

God exists.

[TheChristianPinoyLayman]

Distinguishing Epistemology and Ontology when in the topic of morality does help quickly address a possible disconnect in a conversation. I think, in any conversation, it is extremely efficient to make sure both parties are on the same page to avoid talking past each other.

[daddada]

Why would someone believe in sam, he doesn't have freewill.

[joecesarano]

A commendable, well thought out question peaked my attention and is worthy of discourse.
Imo, Frank seemed to appreciate (the time
constraint), the unfrequently asked question. Answering expeditiously he was able to teach and define a process unique to some.
Thanking you both.

[troywright]

It's good to see a place with actual civil discussion in the comments. Unbelievable! for example has hundreds of people hating on them on yt and fb

[LeonardoTorresMusic]

I have a question, What was the psychological state of Adam and Eve before they ate from the forbidden fruit? They were naked, before they ate from the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, but how did they see their naked bodies before? How did they view all of nature and themselves?

[XTeam]

I saw this livestream, and I had tears. Thank you CrossExamined and Dr. Frank Turek!

You have all really helped me with my faith and standing my ground. God bless ❤️✝️

[shiniquajones]

Jordan Peterson made the point that they are also piggybacking on a society that was ruled by moral religion for centuries.

[HiThereHeyThere]

Frank, I think this faq needs to have a video explaining the issue and answer clearly. Cuz ive watched 3 videos on your moral arguments today, and im not connecting the dots on what the issue is and answer around atheists argument. Can you make a clean video 411 on this?

[incredulouspasta]

Ha! I bet Frank watched Inspiring Philosophy and David Wood's response to Paulogia's morality challenge. I recommend watching Paulogia's follow-up response, titled "My Morality Challenge Fail".

[skyeangelofdeath]

"Why not dolphin flourishing?" LMAO! People take this guy seriously??

[senorpoopEhead]

I'm *VERY* concerned about cowboy flourishing. Please let Frank know.

[LeonardoTorresMusic]

Non-Christian here, but not an atheist.... "Why is wrong to inflict pain on people?" Frank is a die hard Christian, exploring this question is in fact out of the question for him because he has already decided that morality comes from God and there's no shaking that. That is to be respected, I get it. This is in no way an attempt to encourage believers not to believe in God, but do we seriously not see why it is wrong to inflict pain on people? Can we not see that it is possible for a human being to have been hurt in some way either physically, mentally or emotionally and to say to themselves, "I don't want to experience this pain every again." and see the whole movement of it and move towards something "Better"? I haven't even read Sam Harris' book and I know what was implied here. If I have that experience of pain and I see the whole movement, why would I want to be the cause of that pain towards others? The only reason I could think of is that I have turned that pain into anger and want others to feel the way I did. Which if you noticed we saw the movement of pain there. Pain can sometimes be "ANGER". Think of a time you've gotten angry and see that behind that anger was pain of some sort.

I'll explain: Say someone harms a family member of mine, I will instantly feel pain, and that pain will turn into anger towards the one who caused the pain. Simply observing the movement of pain we can already see the foundation of morality without involving God, first man and woman and a serpent. Even if there is no purpose to life, which I disagree with, there could still be a functionality for it.

Frank just turned the page and switched the topic from morality to purpose, a little sleight of hand there. Even without purpose to life there could still be morality in the game of life, but let's go with that argument, Sam didn't say that purpose was the basis of morality, its pain, and pain is something that humankind all share. Frank wants to adjust the way man thinks and feels and sees the world to "Purpose" because without purpose the whole bible falls apart. Without purpose, Jesus died for nothing and there goes Christianity. Without purpose there would be no heaven to attain after life and well then there is no religion because every religion has a payoff at the end of life. What if there is no pay off after life? Would there be no purpose to morality, even if its only to make this existence comfortable? If I said that apples were created for apple pies, and we took apple pies out of the existence, would there be a purpose for apples? Purpose is a manmade concept and it is wrong to try to force things to fit the Christian purpose, or the Muslim purpose or the Hindu purpose.

[timeshark]

Wow, even when addressed by someone in his own camp who is honestly and desperately trying to figure things out all Frank can do is dodge, attack and gish gallop around rather than honestly addressing the question. This response is telling, and why apologetics cause far more Christians to become atheists than atheists to become Christians.

Frank, if you can't address it honestly and openly, without attacking the people asking the questions and hiding behind "what about dolphins?" then you shouldn't even bring up the topic.

[davidnewhart]

Not all pain is bad. You actually need pain and sadness to grow in life.
God does not inflict pain on others but He lets it happen for really good reasons.

[BerishaFatian]

2:31 what did that guy say in the background?

[scootanow]

He didn’t understand the moral argument but that’s when you ask

[geronimozarza]

The idea of morality without a Legislator is so silly that both theists and nihilist atheists agree on this point.

[jesussavestrinahaifa]

No one but God is Holy, He is beyond awesome. I use the word awesome to describe something in my opinion that just can't get any better. Dr Turek's videos, teachings, presentations, colleagues, smile, his laugh, his compassion which exudes from his pores and is expressed in all his expressions, gestures and tones are ALL AWESOME!!! 🙏👍
If the rapture doesn't happen soon in our lifetime, he'll go down in the history books as the best trailblazing apologist in our time! Thank you Dr Turek!!