Calvinism Turns God’s Sorrow For Sin Into A Charade

[robertschutt]

In calvinism, God and Satan blend into 1.

[robjoyce]

Morality is not a mystery.

Calvinist will always revert to mystery and exempt God from the very moral standard that he claims to be.

What the seven thunders said in Revelation is a mystery. If morality was a mystery, no one would know how to behave. God's expectations would be unclear. Everyone knows that morality is NOT a mystery.

[GloriaAdetona]

Amen thank you lord Jesus and God amen ♥️♥️🙏🙏💛💛🤲🤲🙏🏼♥️♥️🥰♥️♥️♥️♥️

[sharonlouise]

Bravo! This is what happens when we give to God attributes that we would see in sinful men.

[tomanderson]

The Lord’s servant must not quarrel, but must be gentle to everyone, able to teach, and patient, instructing his opponents with gentleness. Perhaps God will grant them repentance leading them to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Timothy 2:24‭-‬25 CSB

When they heard this they became silent. And they glorified God, saying, “So then, God has given repentance resulting in life even to the Gentiles.”
Acts 11:18 CSB

God exalted this man to his right hand as ruler and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 5:31 CSB

[igregmart]

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." (Romans 3:10-11)

[msms]

Couldn't it be that all are invited and welcome, but certain people are specifically chosen?

[PaDutchRunner]

It’s easy to paint a caricature of biblical history — which is a satanic tactic to prevent us from learning about the true and living God. Thr central error of these caricatures is the failure to appreciate extreme impact of Adam’s sin upon all of Adam’s lineage as well as a failure to appreciate the sinfulness of sin in contrast to the holiness of God. Related, we must also understand the common grace with which God continues to uphold the world with His creative goodness.

[treystevenson]

I’m not a Calvinist and disagree with them that everything has been foreordained but God knows who are His (2nd Timothy 2:19). None of us deserve heaven but God showed mercy to a great multitude of people and that is God’s grace:

CERTAINTY OF SALVATION

The Scriptures speak of the death of Christ, not as making salvation possible but certain. It does not speak of Christ modifying or lowering the demands of the law so that sinners may satisfy it’s remaining demands, but of fulfilling the law—meeting all of it’s demands. Nor do we read anywhere an intimation that Christ only grappled with justice to the extent that sinners may by obedience to him be justified, but as having justified them. Not even does the sinner have to accept the perfect mediation or redemption in Jesus to make it effective but on the other hand they believe and accept it as true because of it’s effect.
Salvation is an invariable effect of the atonement, faith and effect of salvation and obedience an effect of faith. So neither faith nor obedience are conditions of eternal salvation.

—Elder S.A. Paine (1874-1910)

[jaonatohinirina]

Calvinism turns salvation into a mystery.

[jesusislord]

The first words out of the logos mouth when He began His ministry after coming out of the desert and resisting temptation, repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand

[jodi]

Are every detail of future events deterministic as preknown by God? If they are, God Himself can not change the future events, He just can only watch the events He has already known.

The more God knows the future events the less God able to control the future events

Or my be God can jump around the time go to the future and back to the past, undo the events or reset all things start again from the beginning.

Time is the most misterious things. I have to stop thinking about it.

[rigby]

I don’t think the conclusion is valid especially if you don’t recognize this mystery laid out by Paul in Roman’s 3:25-26 and if you want to be consistent in your line of thinking then you would also have to question why God for asking Abraham to sacrifice Isaac all the while knowing he would provide the sacrifice to me that’s a 1:1 comparison of the Calvinist belief God ask of us what we cannot provide this highlighting our need for him

[Thinking-Biblically]

They won't believe because they don't want to. We suppress the truth in unrighteousness. But God has all the power and is in control of everything. You can't harmonize that so it not true? Clearly God is in control and man is responsible for his sin. You keep worshiping a God that needs you to do something apart from him to save you and ill keep worshiping the God who saves entirely with no help from the dead sinner. Thank you Lord for causing us to be born again or else we never would be. Sovereign God and King

[timothy]

The problem with your illustration is that it is emotionally based. Notice that you said “it feels to me, ” “I think, ” and “I don’t think.” That’s emotional; that’s leaning on your own understanding (which Proverbs 3:5 warns against). Your analogy that God is “hiding” repentance doesn’t take two things in account. First, that the Bible clearly says God grants repentance (Acts 5:31, 11:18, and 2 Timothy 2:25), therefore disliking that Biblical fact doesn’t negate that it is fact. Second, saying God is “hiding” something gives a presupposition that sinners deserve salvation and they have no idea what repentance is; both are untrue. Sinful mankind won’t repent because they hate God, Christ, and Christians (Jesus’ words in John 15:18-23) and have a hostile, carnal mind towards God (Romans 8:7). They refuse to repent because of their nature of total depravity.



Another problem is divorcing God’s other attributes from His love and compassion. You can’t view either through a man-centered view of love. God’s love is Agape, which is a divine act of charity towards someone that doesn’t deserve it. That isn’t merited by sinners; it’s all due to it being one of God’s attributes (1 John 4:10). God isn’t obligated to show His love, grace, and mercy, but because of His holiness He is obligated to punish lawlessness, which sin is according to 1 John 3:4. When you look at God only as a pining God weeping over sin, you forget so many other verses that talk about God’s righteous attitude towards sinners:



God’s wrath abides against sinners because they know all about God based on creation (Romans 1:18-20) and their conscience (Romans 2:15), but they willingly defy Him because they’re slaves to their nature of sin (John 8:34). God is actually angry at wicked sinners (Psalm 7:11). God is shown to hate workers of iniquity, which are sinners (Psalm 5:4-6, 11:5). So while God doesn’t take pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 33:11), that doesn’t negate the other verses where God is righteously angry with them with a justified hatred. God doesn’t take pleasure in it due to His own interconnecting attributes, not based on man. Based on God’s complete character (not just love), He can still weep over the sinfulness of His creation made in His image, but also rightly judge them with a holy anger. To focus only on His love and ignoring other attributes does injustice to the person of God.



Finally, this idea that mankind is deserved something from God in terms of His love, grace, and mercy negates that sinful mankind hates God and is wicked down to the core (Romans 3:9-20, Ephesians 2:1-3, Jeremiah 17:9, etc.). They know all about God but reject Him because they want to do so. Unless God does a work first (John 6:44, 10:26-29), they will willingly reject Him. And since they already know God exists and know they need to repent, God isn’t “hiding” anything; they have the intellect and emotion to know what they should do, but their nature forbids them to do it because they are slaves to that nature. Without God giving repentance to the sinner that wants nothing to do with God shows His compassion and love; not giving it to others isn’t unfair at all since the sinner didn’t deserve it (or even want it) in the first place.

[rsandy]

Not so, i inhability is not from lack of natural hability but moral, God is not commanding something beyond our nature but beyond our willingness. Our inability is that we would not. God is for sure withholding his power to save those who He has decided not to save. If he doesn’t have the power to save and overcome our inability, he is not God. If he has it but decides to let us use our power to be saved and he is no saviour and we are not as lost as we can be. If he has the power and yet decides to save only some, it is for the glory of his grace which otherwise is mitigated by saving everybody, in fact if he promises to save everyone then what’s the point of life, temptation, hardships, faith, etc..

[robertcoggin]

Its a cult. It doesn't need to be rational

[John.]

Salvation is by faith alone, not faith and repenting

[empese]

Oh wow, another person who makes the exact same question that Paul addresses in Romans. 😂

[ShadysDouble]

You know the difference from right an wrong tho right? Thats the point. Your trying to create a idea that humans dont know right from wrong. Which sounds like the tower of babble. This man sounds like he needs to be prayed for. An i will be.