Should The Winds of Winter Be Split?? (w/ @TheGreaseGoblins)

Following the news that George R.R. Martin's publishers and editors may allegedly be attempting to convince George to split his long anticipated The Winds of Winter book into two parts, my friend The Grease Goblins and I look at whether we think such a split is necessary and what it could look like!

Spoilers ahoy!

0:00 Introduction
1:50 Winds of Winter Page Update/Shawn Speakman News
9:40 Should The Winds of Winter Be Split?
17:09 Where Would Winds Be Split?
25:18 When Would a Split The Winds of Winter Be Released?
32:50 How Many Books Would It Take for George to Finish ASOIAF?
44:23 Conclusion

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[licmir]

It’s not only that he hasn’t written the text. He’s probably afraid to publish the first half and later realize that a storyline should have taken another route.

[tiffanymorningstar]

I wanna reread the books cause its been a while but i wont till WOW comes out

[vanikestewart]

A cool cliffhanger for part one to end is Jon being resurrected.

[oswinhull]

I don't think there is any question that it's the most anticipated book of all time.

[bjrnbrynemo]

Yes please! I don't care if it's split after some random chapter with no conclusion what so ever. Give me what you have George

[HablaConOwens]

I say yes. And get George a notable ghost writer. Lets wrap it up

[TheGreaseGoblins]

Pleasure working with you as always, and glad this video is doing so well!

[PyckledNyk]

At this point, I just feel bad for all the fans that have died inbetween 2011 and now waiting for Winds. All those fans disappointed and that really will never get to see the end of their favorite book series. George has no excuses, and his publisher should have dropped his ass as soon as he proposed Fire and Blood instead of delivering on his first series. I don’t know what kind of contract he has, but clearly his publisher didn’t write one good enough to motivate their writer.

At this point, if we ever get a conclusion to ASOIAF, I’m afraid it’s going to be released posthumously.

[MykeTheCreator]

I think the book that should come would essentially be a 3rd volume of ADwD - it would wrap up the four big battles, get (f)Aegon on the Iron Throne and the Boltons out of Winterfell. You wouldn't have any Jon (obvs), Dany, Bran, Arya, Jaime, Brienne or Davos chapters. And HOPEFULLY it would get George to where he needs to be in terms of the beginning of TWoW - where winter comes and the dragons are about to invade. God knows what he'd call this book though...

[BeckyDoesBlog]

I'll just be happy if we get anything at all 😂 Glad to see your video is doing so well and has ignited lots of discussions in your comments! There's so much to talk about when it comes to ASOIAF! This was a really insightful conversation from you both :)

[TFE]

Only 30?!! I’ll be 50+ when the book comes out!

[kenchin]

This reminds me of high school waiting for the 10/10 to finally say yes to my date invite until I finally got tired of waiting and took the 7/10 instead lol

[mandzipop]

I write ASOIAF fanfiction. The current story I'm working on still has to cover the main book plots, albeit with different outcomes due to the domino effect. I knew it would be a long story, so I split it. My timeline is mainly a mixture of books and some show plots. I initially believed I would cover it all in 3 parts. Especially after I completed the first act in one book. Oh, I was a sweet summer child. I have condensed it by not needing to cover much of Dany's arc as the changes don't affect her plot. If I included her plot, I'd just be posting the existing chapters written by George. I didn't need to cover Brienne, Lady Stoneheart or much of Stannis. Yet I've still written 423.5k words and I'm not even a quarter of the way through the story. I must stress, mine is based on the original story with a twist.

I started off thinking I could wrap it up in 750k words. Then 1m words, then 1.5m words. I now expect it to be closer to 2m words, and that is already without those massive plotlines. If my condensed story will still need 2m words to complete it, George will need about 3m to finish the story. The current books written by George combined are 1.7m words. He might just about get away with 3 very very large books. Doing it in 4 would be better. So yes, I think Winds will have to be split, but he needs it to be chronological.

[nont]

George should supervise the younger writer(s) closely to finish his work. Give them the key outlines and make sure they won't ruin it like what happened in the show. In case he dies, at least he can make sure that the story is now in safe hands.

[Zalami]

I don't think splitting it is a good idea unless you want George to take even longer to finish the story. A new ASOIAF book would take him away from writing because he'll do interviews, press tours and signings instead. Just more distractions on top of the list.

[christophergirardi]

The Winds of Winter (part 1)
A Time for Wolves (part 2)
A Dream of Spring (complete)

[olivergiggins]

This is all such non-news. 200 pages is book-length. So Martin has had enough for a book for years.
Martin underestimates his stories. It took him five books to finish the first part of his trilogy, and some of those books had to be subdivided into more books by many publishers.
"George RR Martin has many pages for A Song of Ice and Fire and can't finish what he had planned in one book" is a statement that would have been true every year since the 90s.

[sangdrako]

Next time on GRRM - will our fun-loving fantasy master face his fears and put out a book? Will I get to say something different ever? Find out on GRRM

[jgr]

For me, 3 things are aligning to make George publish the 1st part of Winds:
- either he's reached the magical number of pages or he's reaching it, so the editors would have to publish Winds in 2 tomes;
- he's too tired of the constant pressure from fans to "finish the damn books", which shows, as he has stopped mentioning his progression;
- he wants to tell his side of his story, which, according to some of his later Not a Blog posts, HBO is abusing.

[VideogamesWorld]

To be honest I’m just tired of hearing about the winds of winter, I think George is just waiting for everyone to stop taking it so seriously so he can write in peace. People who hated the show so much don’t even read so he shouldn’t worry about what people think.