Will the Seventh-day Adventist Church Survive | Mark Finley

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Are you wondering about the future of the Seventh-day Adventist Church? Is the church facing an inevitable split, or is God about to do something unexpected? Join Pastor Mark Finley as he explores deep biblical truths and insights from the writings of Ellen White that answer some of the most pressing questions on the hearts of many believers today.

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Thank you Pastor for this message. But you should also call on our leaders to repent from their mistakes regarding LGBTQ, eucuminism, women's ordination, Covid-19 vaccines and the cancellation of those who are calling these leaders for repentance.

michaelattipoe
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I pray that the GC gets out of the practice of conforming to governmental mandates against the individual conscience.

billymoser
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The institution IS NOT GOD'S REMENANT because the institution will not exist when the mark of the beast is inforced. A remnant remains, by its definition. Therefore the remnant must remain after and during the persecution and "no buy/no sell" period. Specifically the institution must choose between existence/conformance or dissolution/obedience to God. The church/remnant is a body of believers NOT AN INSTITUTION.

albertduque
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May all SDA members kneel down and pray for the guidance of the holy spirit so we can go home soon.

susanbrena
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Happy Sabbath, I am an active youth in our church as well as a college student at the moment. I am not studying in one of our institution because of high expenses and my family can't afford it. This semester I happened to have a saturday class, please pray for it to be removed and give me a schedule that will not compromise the Sabbath. Saturday is a very sacred day for me and of course for all of us Adventist, and I pray that you will pray for me. Thank you so much.

themusicyouneed.
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Pastor Finley,
Let's deal with the issue of repentance. Why are you putting down those who point out the Kingly Powers which we all witnessed at the last GC in session. We are not saying we don't love our church!
Have you actually listened to Dr. Conrad's sermon which you are alluring to?

Dr. Vine demonstrated courage by pointing out injustice. The topic needs further discussion. It helps to have a respected leader broach the subject. Had I raised it, it would have meant nothing.

Dr. Vine respectfully made his case as to WHY many of our leaders needed to repent. He was not mean-spirited in the least, yet he laid it out simply, for all to see.

Some are excussing these leaders by spouting simplistic arguments. "The Church will go through, " they say. "There will be no new organization." As if that has much relevance as to the 'Why' certain kingly men need to repent, give restitution and probably retire.

Of course, the 'Church will go through!' God has HIS people in many religions. There will come a time when these, HIS people will "come out of her."

Covid was a global event. No one was unaware. The same will be when Present Truth comes to the forefront. Everyone on Earth will then hear about this truth!

When "God's People" leave their churches to join the True Church, will there even be an organization such as we have today?

Sister White beautifully tells us about God's church:

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love the people who love God and keep His commandments. "Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them." [Matthew 18:20] Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church, for the presence of the high and holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church.
4LtMs, Lt 108, 1886, par 17.

TurtleDove
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Pastor Conrad hit them where it hurts when he started talking about the money. All I know is this....The General Conference and the local Conferences didn't standup for those of us who did not want to take the Covid-19 vaccine due to religious conviction. The church should have stood up for the right for us to make our own decisions and given religious exemption letters to faithful SDA members upon request.

zorab
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@ 23:34 Mark Finley said, “If matters need adjusting at the head of the work, God is going to take care of that. Some people that think they are God’s anointed prophetic voice that they have to correct leadership. There is some people that think it is their role to set right everything that is wrong”.
1st, he is in essence saying that only God Himself can correct the leadership at the top, or the head of the church as he put it. That's pretty pompous.
2nd, what is he doing in this video, attempting to correct someone who in his eyes and in the GC's eyes is wrong. Do they not claim to be appointed by God as voices to correct and exhort. Is it only them that have the right to claim to be the anointed to correct others?
3rdly, This is the same stance that the Papacy takes, none in the laity can correct those at the head. This is the image of the beast.

How was God working to write the wrong in Eli’s house? – God sent the prophet Samuel. How was God working to write the wrongs of the Jewish church at the first advent? – By sending John the Baptist, but they rejected the prophet. So, when Eli refused to correct the wrongs in God’s house, God took matters into His own hands.

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Let us be clear please. The General Conference politics is not the church, but the pillars of our faith, our doctrines, and the spirit of prophecy gift is the church. Jesus said my mother and brother are those who hear the word of God and obey it. Lord help me to obey.

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I love Pastor Mark. I always enjoy His messages. I know you all who are reading my comments and are waiting for the but. Well, here comes the but. But, why are we ignoring those who are suffering due to the mandates during the C-V-D crisis. Why is the topic of those who suffered during C-V-D not being discussed? Why are we not talking about those that suffered and are suffering, but talking about winning souls to Christ when these poor soul need to be won? Why are we not talking about the decisions that were made that cause the suffering? Why can't those who made the decision to tell church members to follow the mandates who were hurt and defend those who didn't follow the mandates and wasn't defended apologize so we can get back to winning soul? Why are people taking sides? Some are saying I'm on Dr.Vine side and others are saying I'm on the side of Stephen Bohr and the Michigan Conference. What does the Bible say about following men especially when both men are wrong. "Psalm 118:9 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes. Psalm 146:3
Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. Yes, I said it. Both are wrong. Now the people that are following are wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. Two wrongs makes two wrongs. But you see if the right decision who have been made on the mandates there would have been no wrongs. Since the wrongs decision was made and it's obvious where is the apology? What is keeping Godly men and women if involved from apologizing and seeking to comfort and win the heart of the hurting. Well, since this was done Dr. Vine respond in behave of the suffering. He would have had to if there was an apology. So, Dr.Vine responds but make a suggestion that many didn't clearly hear what he said but before he could make it clear it was too late. Now we hear people accusing him of thing that are simply not true. People miss he part where Dr.Vine said "IF" the church responds to the future mandates like they did with the C-V-D crisis then it would be in the members right to do what he suggested. He didn't say do it now. It didn't say do it tomorrow. He said "IF". You see this is what happens when issues get swept under the rug. If you keep sweeping stuff under the rug people will start tipping over the rug. Women ordination in North America pretty much swept under the rug. LBGTQ+ events perform on Sabbath and other times swept under the rug. People suffered from the C-V-D mandates ( some died, some loss jobs, some got injured, some got hurt emotional and lost confidence in the brethren who they thought loved them.) Things got swept under the rug over and over and now folks are tripping over the rug and letting the church and the world know about it. What a mess. I'm here listening this sermon (a great sermon), but what about the suffering that are being ignored? What about the power of choice that was violated? What about the religious liberty of many being pushed to the side because of a mandate that violated men consciences and conviction? We talk about there no time to be with sceptics and the critics. But is it not time to protect the God-given rights and liberties of our own brothers and sisters? What are the power of choice of our members? I'm confused by these messages. God help us! God Help us! God help us!

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We must pray for one another in these last days. Jesus is coming soon. Don’t let Satan bring in confusion and controversy. Keep your eyes on Jesus. Amen 🙏🏼♥️

sossicooper
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Many individuals lost their jobs or faced isolation, hiding their Adventist faith while seeking a religious exemption, and some also suffered injuries as a result of the Leaderships decisions. Yet leadership wants to sweep it under the rug. This situation seems to be exactly what happened when God sent prophets to correct Israel (the Church). So how does the Leadership correct an issue? if anyone brings one up they circle the wagons and cancel the individual.

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The "leadership" of the church is not the same as the Church. Asking questions of the leadership is not an attack on the Church. If the leadership has done nothing wrong, they should be more than willing to have a civil discussion of the issue. These people are hurting and need the support of their church. They shouldn't be pushed aside and silenced like they mean nothing to the church.

treadwooddulcimer
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Finley states no one should speak out against leadership. My bible tells me that both Christ and John the Baptist spoke out. I wonder how he feels about this.

dynomiter
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Pastor Finley, stop hiding behind issues that are not issues of priority. We don't need to be convinced that God will save His church. What we need to know is why church leadership has not had the grace to acknowledge their mistake in not offering shelter to those who asked for help during the adverse mandates. Many are still suffering the impact of GC negligence. We need assurance that in the future, we will not be abandoned again. Speak on that, my brother.

truewordz
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The issue is that the church is now maintained like a business rather than a movement.
Thus, like any business there is an overhead, payroll, expenses, etc.
One of the pillars of Adventism is the health message, yet during the pandemic that message seemed to not be emphasized.
If the church has to make agreements with the government, there is a problem.
People should be able to voice concerns with the church without fear of reprimanded.
If the hierarchy can not accept constructive criticism, that is a problem…..

keke
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Pastor Mark Findley, i was catholic for 27 years, and i have been an adventist for almost 50 years.When i accepted the adventist message, my husband did not accept it and left me alone with three children. Just think about it, i recently learned that the General Conferencia sent representatives to Rome to greet the Pope and participate in ecumenism. How do you think i felt? Knowing that Ellen White says that Rome does not change. In Revelation 13, Jesus tells us that the beast speaks through the dragon. Why do they allow this music in churches? See what Ellen White says about music. When i go to church, it is to worship God not satan. And i also thank to God for professor Walter Veith who advised me on these pricks. The church made its workers take it.. My council asks God for forgiveness, also asks Adventists for forgiveness, and everyone preaches the message of the three angels of Revelation 14:6-12.

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Had Dr. Vine not been canceled, I would have probably never found out what he said. I know this persecution of cancellation against Dr. Vine was meant to be so we in the back can hear it louder.

yr
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If God abhors one sin above another, of which His people are guilty, it is doing nothing in case of an emergency. Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God. {3T 289.3}

Silencing preachers for speaking truths that we might find uncomfortable undermines the purpose of being a present-truth ministry. It also silences the work of the Holy Spirit. In our Adventist faith communities, discussing challenging and unpopular topics is crucial for revival, reformation, sanctification, and repentance.

Matthew 18:20 says, "For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them. Therefore the church of God will continue, regardless of corporate church politics.

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I have always loved Pastor Finley & still do, but I don’t agree with him on this. I believe that Dr Vine spoke absolute truth. I have not heard a peep from the GC in regards to the allegations that Dr Vine spoke of. It would be different if they would admit their wrongs & apologize. But that doesn’t happen. So they apparently consider themselves infallible. So, instead of coming clean & admitting what they did was wrong they are criticizing, and canceling the one man who is standing in the gap for his brothers and sisters in Christ. This must be breaking our Father’s heart😢🙏🏼

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