Forza Motorsport: More Than a Scam

Built from the ground up, Burnt to the ground down. Deception, corruption, modern slavery, product placement, are all themes you can find in 2023's racing game of the year: Forza Motorsport. This is one of the worst AAA racing games ever made, but Turn10 and Microsoft are trying so hard to convince you otherwise.

0:00 Intro
0:50 Pre-release
1:12 Visual Downgrade
1:30 Physics are NOT BFTGU
3:02 Employees? What about slaves?
3:50 Clueless Chris
4:37 Exactly what is good about the multiplayer?
5:24 "HoRiZoN cAsUaL, mOtOrSpOrT sEriOuS"
6:11 Every alternative is better
6:57 'bUiLt, NoT bOuGhT:
7:50 Racing game of the year... according to bots
8:18 Car XP mining
9:25 Sell games, and ads
10:59 Worst of both worlds
11:29 Online-only because F you
12:14 Xbox is fine...
12:44 The Turn10 badge of shame
13:09 PTG supremacy
13:54 Conclusion & outro
14:12 You are banned because F you
15:35 He can spot hacks with his eyes closed
16:38 Common knowledge about replay accuracy
17:20 Never been to a lan? Sus
19:04 The Forza experts
19:41 How to bring a car to a stop
20:44 How to not slip up
21:05 Forza experts, and the real experts
22:04 Closure

[seP]

Regarding my videos, they will simply be unlisted and still viewable in a public playlist.
The future content will be centered around mostly indie and older racing games.

Regarding the drama part of the video:
Some people in the comp scene have already commented, but YouTube buries negative comments and so they're not visible.
I don't want to abuse my platform and they should at least be able to share their side of the story, so if anyone is interested, I could make a followup covering all their responses on my second channel.
Regardless, no side will ever come to an agreement, and it's not possible to provide concrete proof for many of the arguments.

[Beanibirb]

I saw a review for FM that said "If this wasn't the only Motorsport game on Steam, everyone would be playing FM4" and I couldn't agree more.

[apparentlycar]

turn 10 hires people who just turned 10

[benlogicfactsshapiro]

The fact you can get banned from A SINGLE PLAYER GAME is seriously dystopian.

[LRK]

Y'all aint getting mad enough about the 18 month contracts to avoid paying benefits. That's beyond greedy and scummy. It's just outright exploitation. And the products are suffering for it.

[juicee]

You taught me how to tune, You taught me how to drive, all while being entertaining. You will be missed.

[Accursed_Farms]

Thanks a lot for the mention! The effort seems to be gaining traction, I think we're going to get answers on this problem one way or another.

[gman]

Sony would make unethical amounts of money if they released GT7 on steam

[konosuhardbass]

14:18 Say it with me

If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.

[RobertHarrson]

Another thing that has been normalized is games getting better through their live service span, instead of being functional on day 1

[Lukas-lpfz]

polyphony/sony could just kill turn10 by bringing gt7 on PC

[existentialselkath]

It's not just misleading. The marketing flat out lied. They claimed they had to rescan the nordschleife and remake every track because the old models weren't detailed enough for the physics. The nordschleife, asside from the trackside detail, is the exact same mesh as FM5

[Stevo]

Holy cow man, what a sad and corrupt community. Everything surrounding this once great franchise has turned shit. And for what? Terrible player numbers? Fake positive reviews? What a sad legacy to have. I really believe the forza era is over. Time for something to replace it now.

[Gamebit]

By the way. A small brazillian studio by the name of Reiza Studios managed to get the license of some of the LMDh cars like the Cadillac and BMW and LeMans for their sim-racing title Automobilista 2.

Not only they managed to do a very faithful recreation of these cars but also implement the most important aspect of them: the Hybrid system, which is STILL mysteriously absent in FM despite the hybrid system being almost 10 years old at this point and many other titles managing to replicate them.

Makes you think

[FiatUno]

This game being 6 years in "development" is crazy to me. They literally recycled everything from the older Forza titles, added 3 new things and called it a new game. And the worst part is that FM is a current-gen exclusive but it doesn't take advantage of the extra processing power. FH5 on the Xbox Series X looks absolutely gorgeous, but FM manages to look worse than FM5, somehow. Like, how do you manage to make a current-gen game look so bad?
They could've released the new FM on past gen too and it would've looked "fine". If the Xbox Series X looked like the trailers and pre-release footage, you could at least excuse it being a current-gen exclusve, but no, it looks like shit. And I don't really mind games being a platform for car advertisement, if it is done right.
I would love to see something similar to Need for Speed Porsche, where you actually learn and go trough the history of the brand instead of the game just being blatant advertisement. But that's asking too much from lazy Forza devs who can't be bothered doing something actually cool.

[mantha]

Forza Horizon fan here: On the official Forza forums, they would lock and occasionally just delete posts that criticized the game (even if written politely and made in a genuine attempt to point out problems), and even ban people who complained about their posts being locked/deleted. This happened to me, and I ended up making several accounts just to try and see if I could get another moderator to explain to me what was going on.
None ever did. All my accounts were banned because I complained about what basically amounts to censorship, and then asked why my account had been banned from the forums despite never once cursing or being hostile, etc.

[Mootkins]

Die-Hard (used to be) Halo fan here. What you described about the Development behind Forza 2023 is EXACTLY what happened with Halo Infinite during development. Now, Microsoft's 18 Month work contract wouldn't be bad for games with short development cycles (1-2 years or so), but when you're dealing with games with YEARS of development already behind their belt (i.e Halo Infinite, Starfield, Forza, etc). It really shows when the new guy has to take 6 months of his 18 contracted just to learn the tools, let alone learn what the previous people were working at. It's a practice that has made me lose my faith in Microsoft and I pray to God the same doesn't happen with the new Horizon 6 or Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024.

You made the right decision to leave the Forza community when there's so much better racing games coming out soon with more welcoming communities (GT7 to PC/PSVR, Assetto Corsa Evo, Test Drive Unlimited: Solar Crown, and so on).

[Gamebit]

This puts into perspective how different GT's approach to its game was.

GT Sport was, in fact, built from the ground up for next generation of consoles with very little of legacy stuff carried over (mostly the VGT car models). This explains why GTS had very little cars and tracks compared to previous entries (which reused a lot of cars from past generations) but it built a steady collection of cars and tracks that were built considering the 2, 3 games into the future and, lo and behold, they not only were reused in GT7 (as they were intended to) but improved upon as the physics and graphics engine were revamped for GT7 and new cars were added.

Despite our feelings towards the direction of the single player portion of GT7, it's an amazing title and one that actually changed a lot of things from it's sibling game. You can see this if you play both titles back-to-back like I did.

[meskonyolsen]

"List of doctor sami Games"
- Truck in Tehran (2003)
- Driving in Tehran (2004)
- Pyongyang in Tehran (2012)
- Game Console in Tehran (2014)
- Detective in Tehran (2015)
- Motosport in Tehran (2023) *[NEW!]*

[Felsham]

You can tell the reason he he took so long to upload but came with him cooking