Shoot & edit in 25fps?! Here's Why...

After discovering 1/120 shutter speed doesn't exist, I switch over to 25fps / PAL to see if the European standard works for me. Let me know what you think!

Gear used in this video:
Canon R6
Canon RF 24-70 f2.8
DJI Mavic 2 pro
FCPX

[internetcultured]

This was SO useful! I've been looking up frame rates on youtube for ages and this is the first video that gets to the point and also shows footage at a 25 fps rate. I am going to use this lower frame rate to reduce my file size as I'm shooting a half hour of video footage and don't want to have to deal with a 13GB file. Thanks for this!

[Kkkppp]

I started making 25 fps videos because the reason is that my monitor is 75 hz and if the video is 25 fps, it will play it perfectly. Because 75 ➗ 25 is equals to 3, so the monitor will refresh each frame 3 times before the next one, which results in nice smooth fluid motions.

[MartianCitizen]

Very clever Nigel...sorry...Mike. A very enlightening video...well done.
As always, ( for the first time) keep up the good work and keep'em flying...

[timetraveler_]

25fps also gets flicker free indoor videos in EU at any shutter speed.

[ClassicVideoss]

In the olden day analogue TV ran at 25fps PAL in Europe Australia et el and 30fps (29.97 ) NTSC in North America, Japan and a few other places. I dunno why when digital tv came in we all just settled of a world standard. Of course the US had to different again.

[StudioGalvan]

A bit Rambly but I too have recently discovered the flexibility of using the European standard of 25/50/100 fps.
They all work ON THE SAME 25FPS EDITING TIMELINE !!
This is as opposed to the U.S./NTSC standard of 24/60/120 fps which def DO NOT go neatly into the 24fps timeline.

[tomcleall]

Great shots; not a massive expert but looks good here on both phone and 4K TV 👍

[Drunken_Hamster]

Great shots, but a couple things:

2. You definitely don't NEED to have shutter speed be an exact multiple of your frame rate, and you definitely don't need an exactly 2x, 4x, or whatever x framerate for really nice slow motion.

3. Our eyes don't have shutters at all, so we effectively see with a "360-degree" or matched shutter-to-frame rate. Though, we DO see a higher "frame rate" than 24, 25, or even 30. Through hours of comparison, I've found that in a casual setting I see between 40 and 60fps as lifelike smooth, and as such, that means that a 1/40-1/60th of a second shutter speed is "realistic" motion blur, and anything below that range in frame rate should use that range in shutter speed, and anything in or above that range in frame rate should be a 360-degree shutter, OR be adjusted to within that range for anti-light-flickering purposes. This leads me to...

4. A GOOD thing about going to 25 fps is that in your PAL country you can use ANY shutter speed with it, since 25 is a whole-number multiple of 50. HOWEVER, you can use NTSC rates if your shutter speed is a multiple of the PAL frequency(so 1/25, 1/50, 1/100, 1/150, etc.) Of course, that only matters if you're shooting in an area where there's artificial light.

5. ANOTHER good thing about 25 and 50fps is that they're ALWAYS going to be true frame rates rather than decimal. A problem you can run into with 24, 30, and 60, especially on youtube, is that your camera most likely shoots the non-integer version of that, which is 23.98, 29.97, and 59.94 respectively. Doesn't seem like a big deal, and it isn't if your camera gives you the option for TRUE frame rates, BUT; If you shoot decimal and then edit in true, you'll end up with judder. Which is where objects in motion skip forward in time on roughly half to 1/3-second intervals regardless of camera movement/pan speed. But even if you match decimal recording with decimal editing, when you upload to youtube, it will re-encode it to true, which could ALSO lead to judder.

So, in conclusion, you don't NEED to do 25, especially if you aren't an LFR snob, your camera can shoot true 30fps, and/or you don't have an actual OCD about being exactly 4x or whatever slowmo. You can go back to 30 with a 1/50 shutter for general filming and have no artificial light flickering regardless of region, then shoot either 50, 60, 100, or 120 with any, multiples of 50, any, and multiples of 50 shutter speed respectively for slow motion.

Or heck, you could even do 50p 1/60 for general filming and 120p 1/150 for slow motion and never flicker regardless of region. In fact, if you go to RED's website (the cinema camera manufacturer) you'll be able to find a calculator for flicker-free filming combinations. Just take into account that motion blur is a static 1/40-1/60th to look natural, or otherwise as close to that range OR as close to 360 degrees as possible for flicker control.

[DogaCol]

Thank you so much for this video. It is quite the opposite, however. This is very very interesting... for people like us.

[TaoCovillault]

Soooo you shoot 25p because it bother you to use 1/125s instead of 1/120s shutter 🤔

You are conscious that there is absolutely no noticable difference, even when pixel pipping ? 😅
Actually you could also set you shutter speed at 1/50s for the light, in NTSC and you still would be fine...

And you could even try 360 degree shutter (60p at 1/60s) in most case it would still be acceptable.
I actually use 360 degree for weddings sometimes, to get this dreamy look :p
Rules are meant to be broken.

As a european, I would rather advocate to shoot NTSC 😜

Many reasons:
- One more frame rate to choose (30p is awesome for me, make reel life b-rool at 80% speed. Doesn't look slowmo but just slightly more dreamy)
- More compatibility with social medias and screens in general
- Better slowmotion
- Access to XAVC HS codec on Sony cameras (more than 2 times smaller files without loss).

In PAL, Sony doesn't propose XAVC HS 25p, only 50...

Downside: flickers... 😔
But you can go around it by setting the shutter at the 180 rule of the Pal region (so your 60p at 1/100s) 😊

It just doesn't work with 120p :/

[kozodoev]

25fps looks nasty on 60 or 120hz displays (which is the vast majority of modern displays). Very juddery.

[TheAikatsuFan]

I can't record at 25 fps because samsung is weird