Ex Calvinist Philosopher DESTROYS Omnibenevolence

Calvinist Apologist Leaves Christianity | Tyler Vela

In a surprising turn of events, Tyler Vela, a prominent online advocate for Christianity, has publicly renounced his faith. This announcement has sent shockwaves through the Christian community, though it's likely that some adherents will resort to the tired old "no true Scotsman" fallacy to distance themselves from his departure.

Nonetheless, Vela's decision to abandon his once deeply-held beliefs is a significant one, and here he sit's down with MythVision to explain his reasoning behind this dramatic shift in perspective.

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[greylonewolf]

Hey Derek,
Could you invite an ex-calvinist and an ex-muslim to discuss the differences and similarities between Calvinism and Islam??

Reply please.❤

[greylonewolf]

As an atheist, from a muslim background;the issue
at 2:25 hit me hard.
I had other questions about Islam, but this issue reallyy bugged me till I left Islam.

Edit:I just realised that Calvinist theology sounds really close to Islamic theology.

[CJ-]

WOW. Tyler's deconstruction is recent. He just had a debate with Matt Dillahunty not too long ago.

[aw]

I love calvinists! They expose God like no other!

[joshridinger]

the way i ended up thinking of it was that, to god, we're not really real. god is playing a video game, and we're the pixels and polygons. so he can be 'loving' and 'good' even though he does terrible things to us for nothing more than his own amusement: we're sims in the hands of an angry gamer. someone can be a very loving person and still enjoy drowning their sims in a ladderless pool, after all.

of course that makes theism into an utterly dehumanizing, soul-destroying proposition. such meaning! such purpose! but it seems like the inescapable conclusion.

[doncamp]

Omnibenevolence is a theological construct. When we read the Bible there are many times when God acts in justice and not in benevolence. There are, however, three characteristic (called perfections in theology) that are never balanced by another characteristic. Those are holiness and righteousness and wisdom. The point: if we are disturbed by the times God is wrathful rather than loving we should recognize that there will be those seeming contradictions and fall back on the things that are always true.

[razpootis]

If the greatest sign of love i could give to someone was letting them be alone, I would give them that.
If wanting to be autonomous from me and seek their own purpose in life was the most fullfiling experience they could want, I'd facilitate that.

The Christian god does not really love all his creation, only the bootlickers.

[spiritualanarchist]

Many of these American Christian scholars de-conversions seem so extreme to me . From being convinced of one thing being absolutely true and telling everyone about it, straight into the opposite being truth and telling everyone about it .

[feeble_stirrings]

As someone who passed through Calvinism on my way to the Eastern Orthodox Church, where I've truly found a home, Calvinism is a monstrous deformation of God and Christianity. I say that with no rancor toward those who have fallen prey to those teachings, but to the system itself which is a mind-boggling departure from historic Christianity. That you've left that ideology, isn't a bad thing in my sincere opinion. Calvinism has no foundation in the understanding of the early Church. I'd recommend "On the Incarnation" by St. Athanasius (4th century). You'll find no Calvinist thought there, but a clearer understanding of the Faith held by the fathers of the Church and still held in the Orthodox Church today. Truth isn't a proposition, He is a Person. Reading, study, systematic theology etc. certainly have their place, but only in a supplemental way at best. Those things won't get you there or keep you there. I'd highly encourage you to visit an Orthodox Church and attend the Liturgy a handful of times. Talk to the priest and ask your questions there.

[timothyblack]

If you cannot ❤️ God. Strive to ❤️ your neighbor. Strive to ❤️ your enemy. Strive to ❤️ one another. In doing so you may find God, in your neighbor, in your enemy, and in another. ✌🏼

[francmittelo]

The story of Job highlights how the "free will" argument is so silly.
How come God always respects the free will of the rapist, and yet ignores the free will of the person who doesn't want to be raped?
Why did Job's friends have to die for the sake of God and Satan's (God's best friend) sport betting?
lol

[aw]

The Job story is basically that God destroys way more than he saves.

[AngelRoseAngel]

40 years a Christian..I have never heard of him. Who is he. Even years of not being a Christian I have never heard of him

[LateNightKaiju]

How to crush omnibenevolence?

Is this omnibenevolent entity also massively powerful / omnipotent? Yes? In the time you have been reading this, millions of animals in nature have been in excruciating pain and they are doomed to die horribly and unnoticed by anyone except for this supposed god. He watches them suffer and die. All the time. Every time.

[a_lucientes]

The problem with postulating an omnipotent & omniscient God/Mind is that then we are stuck needing to explain where it could have come from. It immediately becomes and infinite regress or God crating God, etc etc.. the God that created us and life on earth. So, it's an untenable position. We postulate the idea of God bc we cannot fathom how else we could possibly come to be. In the same way that no animal comes into being but for its parents, we extend that same idea to the first living bacteria, etc. etc. Theists tend to say: _God has always existed & exists outside of the time/space continuum._ The question then becomes, *_If God does not require a creator, why must the universe require one?_*

[CRoadwarrior]

All this "ex calvinist philosopher" does is destroy his own ideology with flawed reasoning. He uses his flawed, faulty comparison to judge God. All this is, is the old "God in the Dock" nonsense that C.S. Lewis spoke of. He is renouncing now because he had no solid faith to begin with.

[bobsmith-hdzr]

if only he could be this reasonable and still a Christian, when he was a Christian he was unbearable to listen too

[ranilodicen]

cant blame marcion for rejecting the hebrew god..

[integrationalpolytheism]

I'm an ex christian, but i didn't really appreciate till recently that i'm also an ex calvinist Our lot were calvinist but were quite shy about throwing the terminology around, i think.

Even now decades later, though, i struggle a bit to remember to recognise that most christians don't actually subscribe really to the predestination idea (even though it's 100% necessary for god to be omniscient).

[kevinelvington]

"sent shockwaves through the Christian heard of him. LOL