Why libertarianism is a marginal idea and not a universal value | Steven Pinker | Big Think

Why libertarianism is a marginal idea and not a universal value
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Is conflict humanity's natural state? Could we ever agree on a set of values? The knee-jerk response for any student of history would be 'no', but the data tells a different story. Psychologist and author Steven Pinker offers proof in the form of Wagner's law: "One development that people both on the Left and the Right are unaware of is almost an inexorable force that leads affluent societies to devote increasing amounts of their wealth to social spending, to redistribution to children, to education, to healthcare, to supporting the poor, to supporting the aged."

Until the 20th century, most societies devoted about 1.5% of their GDP to social spending, and generally much less than that. In the last 100 years, that's changed: today the current global median of social spending is 22% of GDP. One group will groan most audibly at that data: Libertarians.

However, Pinker says it's no coincidence that there are zero libertarian countries on Earth; social spending is a shared value, even if the truest libertarians protest it, as the free market has no way to provide for poor children, the elderly, and other members of society who cannot contribute to the marketplace. As countries develop, they naturally initiate social spending programs. That's why libertarianism is a marginal idea, rather than a universal value—and it's likely to stay that way. Steven Pinker is the author of Enlightenment Now: The Case for Reason, Science, Humanism, and Progress.
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STEVEN PINKER:

Steven Pinker is an experimental psychologist who conducts research in visual cognition, psycholinguistics, and social relations. He grew up in Montreal and earned his BA from McGill and his Ph.D. from Harvard. Currently Johnstone Professor of Psychology at Harvard, he has also taught at Stanford and MIT. He has won numerous prizes for his research, his teaching, and his nine books, including The Language Instinct, How the Mind Works, The Blank Slate, The Better Angels of Our Nature, and The Sense of Style. He is an elected member of the National Academy of Sciences, a two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist, a Humanist of the Year, a recipient of nine honorary doctorates, and one of Foreign Policy’s “World’s Top 100 Public Intellectuals” and Time’s “100 Most Influential People in the World Today.” He is Chair of the Usage Panel of the American Heritage Dictionary, and writes frequently for The New York Times, The Guardian, and other publications.
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TRANSCRIPT:

Steven Pinker: Sometimes people say that in the absence of religion there can be no moral values and, in fact, for that reason, there can never be values that everyone agrees upon. “We are inherently conflictual. The human condition is conflict among peoples because they could just never agree on values.”

Well, putting a lie to that are developments like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948 and the Millennium Development Goals where the nations of the world agreed on a number of milestones that humanity should strive for—having to do with health and longevity and education—and some of which were met years early, such as reduction of extreme poverty, usually defined as more or less what a person would need to support themselves and their family, which was met several years ahead of schedule. Right now, less than ten percent of the world lives in a state of extreme poverty, and the successor to the Millennium Development Goals, called the Sustainable Development Goals, calls for the elimination of extreme poverty by the 2030s. An astonishing goal, one that is by no means out of reach.

One development that people both on the Left and the Right are unaware of is almost an inexorable force that leads affluent societies to devote increasing amounts of their wealth to social spending, to redistribution to children, to education, to healthcare, to supporting the poor, to supporting the aged.

Until the 20th century, most societies devoted, at most, one-and-a-half percent of their GDP to social spending, and generally much less than that. But starting in the 1930s with the New Deal in the United States and accelerating in Europe after World War II with the welfare state, now the median across societies of social spending is 22 percent of GDP.

The United States is a little bit below that, but even that’s misleading because we’ve got a lot of welfare that’s done by our...

[gking]

The Ayn Rand Institute accepting payroll protection funding from the federal government tells you all there is to know about “libertarianism”

[David-nihj]

"People don't really want to be free, all they want is a benevolent tyrant"

[mchristr]

Steven Pinker is probably competent as a psychologist but not as a philosopher. If the entire world agreed on an ethical system it wouldn't speak to the ultimate "rightness" of a certain behavior.

[artemiasalina]

“It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a ‘dismal science.’ But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.”
― Murray N. Rothbard

[ricardoharo]

Libertarianism is not just free markets, it's free individuals. Libertarianism doesn't deny social programs, it expects the free individuals to take them ahead. Instead of constituents claiming the government with pitchforks and torches, they'll voluntarily make the best social safety net for their fellow citizens.

[hadara]

“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.”
~Dom Helder Camara

[hadara]

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year-old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
~John Rogers

[ausroy]

Big think video titles tend to be quite different from what most of the video is about. This video is hardly about 'Why libertarianism is a marginal idea', and much more about 'Why modern societies have the universal value of social spending'

[vjfperez]

The reason why governments run large spend budgets is because they can. And the reason shutting down spending is difficult is not because the people want the spending but because the rent seeking elite is a more organized faction than the middle class

[hm]

Essentially everything of importance in my life, my talents, my upbringing and opportunities, were things I did not control. And they have almost completely determined the rest of my life. I did not contribute measurably to my life, where I have been a successful research physicist; I did what I liked to do and was good at. I was never a matter that I worked harder than everyone else or was a better person. I just drew the right cards. Lots of people don't, and I think it is immoral to hold that misfortune against them.

[sajfen]

Well, that was highly unsatisfactory.

[richardgates]

So he's actually saying that people are spending more money for someone else to do the social work, rather than spend nothing to do it themselves as they used to.

[cyberdelicxp]

Mr. Pinkers optimism makes me have....many conflicting feelings

[AaronQ]

There's an immense misconception that Libertarianism is the same thing as Anarcho-Capitalism, and it's not, and that's what people think it is when the discussion about Libertarianism gets brought up.

[MrVara]

People like "free" stuff. How insightful.

[libertarianrevolution]

There are no libertarian countries because there is no place where there are enough libertarians to form one.

[abrahammekonnen]

I agree with everything in the video but it's good to ask ourselves how we should do things most efficiently. We should try not to depend too much on 1 way of doing things or we will not strive to improve ourselves.

[skydivekrazy]

Is he saying a libertarian state is incapable of charity?

[williamofdallas]

libertarianism is not against social spending. it's just against using force to sustain it

[drege]

Sadly on one hand the world has preached humanitarian goals and in the same breath actively encouraged and protected the doctrines of hatred in the name of tolerance