Did Paul and Jesus Have the Same Religion?

Today I'm joined by friend of the channel Dr Bart Ehrman to talk about Paul and Jesus! Just how different are their teachings? Why does Paul not talk about the life of Jesus? Why do they preach different ways to achieve salvation?



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[EmmaThorneVideos]

Did Paul transform the Jewish religion OF Jesus to the Christian religion ABOUT Jesus? Why does Paul not mention the life of Jesus outside of the death and resurrection? Do Jesus and Paul's teachings on following the Law of God contradict each other? If you're interested in exploring this topic, Bart has a new 8 part lecture in his "How Scholars Read the Bible" series that you'll love! You get 8 30-40 minute lectures, PDF lesson guides, a Q&A, audio downloads, FAQ's and a further reading list to really dig deep, plus discounts on other lectures in the series.

[elizabethhosaka]

The differences between Paul and Jesus teachings is what first led me away from Christianity. Wonderful to hear from a scholar on the subject. Great interview!

[MrMild-svis]

The fact that Paul didn't get along with Jesus's top 2 disciples, one of which was Jesus's own brother, is pretty significant as to whether or not he followed the teachings of Jesus.

[claffert]

This discussion made me think of the film The Last Temptation of Christ. Many Christians were extremely offended by the depiction of Jesus as someone who struggled, had doubts, and at one point wanting to choose to marry and have children rather than be crucified. However, I felt that there was a part of the story that (in my opinion) was far more subversive than that, which was that Paul was falsely claiming that the death and resurrection happened. Paul was a charlatan.
Seeing this film was the first time that it had occurred to me that so much of the belief system of modern Christianity (at least that I was exposed to) was based on Paul, not Jesus. And with this realization, I found it rather surprising that Christians didn't seem to be bothered by the depiction of Paul as a fraud in that movie. It seemed to me that folks were getting upset over some details that aren't really that important to the religion (such as did Jesus ever have doubts, struggles, or (god forbid) sex but glossed over the implications that the foundation of the modern church could be founded by a liar.

[kittyrussell]

Two of my most favourite humans talking together. Thanks so much Emma and Bart.

[MetaphorUB]

Am I alone in feeling a little burst of pride for our lovely person Emma when Dr Ehrman genuflects on what a good question she just asked?

[russb]

I've learned so much more about Christianity since I became an atheist than I was ever taught in 30 years of going to church

[Athena-vscv]

I'd never even considered the question of whether it was in fact Paul who founded Christianity - it makes logical sense. Fascinating topic. Love your channel Emma ❤

[MacTheHuman]

Emma thank you so much for this. It’s a question I have been wrestling with. ❤

[G-L-O-R-I-A]

I used to be Catholic. After 9 years of Catholic school, I believed that Jesus was preaching a kinder, gentler form of Judaism. Paul's message--which is the one that stuck--was that, no, this is its own new thing.

[PsiNorm]

Isn't this ignoring the way Jesus criticized the Jewish laws? He gave two commandments that encompass everything. Love God, and love what God loves (people). He considered the Jewish laws as a burden that kept people from God, and called those supporting those laws a "pit of vipers". To me it seems that Jesus told us how to live, and the resurrection is important because it shows that Jesus has authority and power over death (otherwise, none of it matters). Paul may have focused on the wrong bit, but saying that Jesus pushed Jewish law seems to cherry pick parts and ignoring most of it.

[cloudboy]

I can't help but think that Jesus and Paul were very different fellows, and both Emma and Bart alluded to this as one reason Christianity lacks any real consistency. If I was a Christian, I would be even more confused than I am already! 🙂

[karenholmes]

Most of the homophobia and misogyny in the New Testament come from Paul. I was reared in a Bible reading home. My parents weren't into brainwashing us to be Christian. They believed it was up to us to decide what our religion would be, but I was raised around parents that heavily researched and read the Bible. I have read that book myself more than once, complete with concordance and different versions. I am not a Christian. What I decided was that Jesus was a cool dude and most of the troubling aspects of Christianity are rooted in Paul. Paul's entire origin story is also disturbing to me. He was a zealot. Before his conversion story he was a zealot against the Jesus movement, and then afterwards he was a zealot for it. And if life has taught me anything is that zealots are problematic in their charisma and their ability to pull people over to their worldview. Perhaps Christianity would never have launched without Paul, but I can't be a Jesus follower because of him.

[archivist]

It's noticeable that Fundies rely much more on Paul than the Gospels.

[RickReasonnz]

Wow. The Clark Kent Effect is real. I barely recognise Ehrman without his glasses!

[djparn]

Thank you, Emma. I really appreciate your interviews.

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Hi, Emma, just wanted to thank you for everything that you do, and especially for making me aware of the Greg Locke Witch bit. An excerpt of the sound is gonna be in the intro to my band's concert on sunday!

[philurbaniak]

👍👍 I love these insights, they're so fascinating! Thank you for the upload!

[Suo_kongque]

I don’t want eternal life, as a Buddhist, I am trying to end the cycle of rebirth

[guillermoenki]

Did Paul and Jesus have the same religion? No. Jesus was Jewish, lived as such, and died as such. Paul created a new religion and institutionalized it.