The Best Argument for Sola Scriptura with Trent Horn

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[christopheryoder]

So, I have two counter-arguments.

1. I challenge them to find where the infallible scripture says what books should and shouldn't be included as canonical texts. When they can't, then my follow up is that they are following the tradition of the Catholic Church.

2. I ask them how they don't follow a tradition. The difference is that Catholics follow the tradition of Christ and the apostles whereas they follow the tradition of man from Luther to Calvin to Weslyan to themselves.

[josephcoicou]

The fact you put Paul Wall's Sittin’ Sidewayz beat made Trent talk like he's spitting bars.

[LoneCrusader]

For those unaware. Mr. Trenton Horn is a Catholic apologist and the purpose of this clip is to highlight strategy when engaged in a debate. This is why he refers to putting the burden of proof on the opposition. Every time you debate someone, you need to strategize. This is not a hide-and-seek/ run-and-hide tutorial.

[joshdavis]

This whole video is about how to win a debate and not actually defending his faith 😂

[thetroof]

Scripture is all there is.
EVERYTHING else is produced by broken, fallen men.
The "rock" Jesus said He will build His Church on IS NOT A PERSON.
IT IS THE REVELATION OF WHO JESUS IS, which Jesus told Peter was from the Father in heaven.

[darrenharriott]

Sola scriptura is best proven by the true word of God .

Premise of Bible


1. The first step is to understand that the Bible never disagrees with itself because it is the WORD of God. ( 1 John 1:1-5)
2. Second we need to believe that we need the Holy Spirit to understand scripture and discern truth. ( 1 Corinthians 2:9-16)
3. Third we need to believe that God is the author and the prophets and apostles are writers and did not input any personal bias . ( 2 Peter 1:19-20)
4. Fourth the entire Bible is the everlasting gospel perfect for every generation. ( 2 Timothy 3:16-17)
5. Fifth, the Bible is self- sufficient to explain itself to anyone through the guidance of the Holy Spirit . ( Isaiah 28:9-10; John 16:13; James 1:5)



I) Biblical

Sola scriptura is Biblical. Jesus when tempted by Satan stated clearly the only thing in authority that determines Man ‘s decision was the word of God ( Matthew 4:4; Deuteronomy 8:3). There are some that will say that we are to also rely on the traditions oral/ written outside of scripture and that the Bible supports this idea ( 2 Thessalonians 2:15). In Truth this is a twisted interpretation of scripture.

What are we to teach ? The Great Commission found in Matthew 28:19 -20 says to teach all things commanded by Jesus. Where are Jesus’s commands? Only in scripture which testify of Him ( John 5:39). In Leviticus 10:10-11 God tells his people that to be able to discern good from evil one must teach one’s children God’s statutes spoken to Moses and written ( Malachi 4:4-6). No mention of additional non scripture or purely oral is mentioned as an alternative authority. God’s revelation to his prophets is the sole ultimate authority.

We should not rely on what people say are authoritative sources such as the early church fathers teachings which take us away from how we are to interpret the Bible! The traditions referenced in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 are those taught from the word ( Jesus is the word/scripture) and the epistles which the Holy Spirit considers to be equal because it is scripture.

Matthew 4:4 KJV
[4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 KJV - Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Matthew 28:19-20 KJV - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


Leviticus 10:10-11 KJV - And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
11 And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses.



II) Testify of Jesus

Jesus orders us to search the scriptures because they testify of Jesus ! Nothing else does Jesus order us to read to learn of God’s character. ( John 5:39; 2 Timothy 3:14-15). Jesus taught after his resurrection’s only from the scriptures. (

John 5:39 KJV
[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.



III) Tradition vs scripture .

Jesus speaks against uplifting tradition over the scriptures. The uplifting of traditions over scripture was one of the identifying practices of the Jewish church its apostasy . It was this theology that the Jewish leaders practiced that led to the rejection of Jesus and his doctrine . It blinded their eyes to the truth, rejection of the Holy Spirit, and created contradictions in their thoughts and actions .

Mark 7:9 KJV
[9] And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Matthew 15:3, 7-9 KJV
[3] But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? [7] Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, [8] This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. [9] But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

IV) Church Magistrate Authority

God warned us against any religious belief that was based on the ideal that God would only speak to specific men ( leaders) who would then interpret and tell you what to do . God speaks of a faith that everyone has a personal relationship with God and he will write his laws on our hearts ! ( Ezekiel 36:24-27; Ezekiel 11:17-21) .The ideal that the traditions of the church are an absolute requirement has been shown to lead God’ people away from scripture . ( Mark 7:5-13)

Hebrews 8:10-12 KJV
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

V) Scripture timing

Timing of when scripture was considered scripture.

We see in 2 Peter 3:16 that the writings of Paul and the others are already considered scripture according to the Holy Spirit . It was not determined 300 years later . We also see in Daniel 9:1-2 that the writings of Jeremiah were considered scripture as it fulfilled the requirement of being inspired by the Holy Spirit .

As for the confusion about the Apocrypha books the fact that it is a separate set of books testifies that it was never considered scripture or else it would not have been carved out.


2 Peter 3:14-18 KJV - Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

1 Thessalonians 5:27 KJV - I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren


VI) Oral Tradition

The Bible says in Acts 5:28-32 we are to obey God rather than men so the epistle ( 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 ) was testifying that this word was from God and thus scripture and we were to obey the written epistle and not some outside oral tradition .

2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 KJV - And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Acts 5:28-32 KJV - Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


VII) Apostolic authority

In response to the idea we are to submit to the Church’s interpretation of the word due to its Apostolic authority or being designated by God as the final authority. Or that if people were allowed to just interpret the scripture we would have chaos are ignoring God’s promise and who truly reveals truth ( John 16:13-14 ) . It is the Holy Spirit and gives wisdom to all who ask (James 1:5-8).

The scripture states that when the Bereans heard the word from Paul and Silas that they searched the scriptures daily for themselves to determine if it was true ( Acts 17:10-11). Each individual is to claim the promise of the Holy Spirit and to try the Spirits ( 1 John 4:1) .



Acts 17:10-11 KJV - And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so


John 16:13-14 KJV - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

James 1:5-8 KJV - If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

[tamagotchidoctor]

But then it's up for interpretation by everyone and their cousin Willie. And then we get yet another new denomination.

[mbell]

Trent just laid out why his position is incorrect

[galacticnovastudios]

Honestly the strongest argument is the character and state of the Catholic Church

You say your tradition is infallible but you have a long history of one pope coming in and undoing everything his predecessor did

Having the church change its stance on multiple issues like homosexuality.

Disagreeing with scripture on issues like baptism definitely doesn’t show an unbroken line to the apostles

The character of your priests is so bad that the first thing people think of when they hear Catholic priest is pedophile (not saying all Catholic priests are pedophile your kid is still far more likely to get groomed in school than church)

All of that really screams confidence in an unbroken chain of tradition.

[PraiseYahforHeisHoly]

I thought we were looking for truth?!?!? If it's the truth, believe it. Who cares who is right.

[Psyrus]

A fallible Magisterium cannot canonize an infallible text, ergo the Magisterium is infallible. Fallible Sacred Tradition cannot result in an infallible Magisterium, ergo Sacred Tradition is infallible.

[brendanmassie]

Instead of avoiding answering that question to win a debate, why not attempt to answer that question in pursuit of truth?

I’m a Protestant and I have no problem listening to good arguments for infallible church authority. In fact we believe in authority, just not infallible authority, meaning that church teachings cannot contradict scripture. It is a big issue that the catholic church has contradicted itself and held different positions historically. it’s also true that scripture has not, so it’s a very difficult question to get around. That question has to be answered in order for me to become a catholic or orthodox.

[dand]

So, in other words, Avoid the question/ argument you can't win. 🙄
Yeah, that's a strong position there....

[chickenshark]

Trent continually refuses to phrase the Protestant argument correctly. We are making an ontological argument that God is the source of Scripture. Its being inerrant is a subset of the fact that it comes from an all knowing God. The Catholic church agrees that revelation ended with the Apostles so they'd have to make the argument that papal authority is God revealing himself in the same way that he does in Scripture. We have no authority apart from God. Scripture is the Norma normata non normata.

[kennynoNope]

Roman Catholic claim to worship the same god of Islam
Who says Jesus did not die on a cross and is not the son of god and is for sure not god

That’s all you need to know about Roman Catholics

[eturnall]

Any reasonable person understands that scripture is personal information designed to convey truths and wisdom, but also to perform a service of God in the heart of the reader across time. This is why "SOLA SCRIPTURA" is basically silly and invented only to be rhetorically argumentative, coming inherently from a place of dissention and contempt of authority.

[ShirleyAnnPetrillo-ojsc]

Prima Scriptura is much more accurate than Solo Scriptura ~ meaning scripture is to be the Prima /premium /1st place Standard that all teachings & practices yields to and harmonizes with.

[patricktilton]

Which 'scriptura' are they talking about? The LXX and the Samaritan Pentateuch and the Masoretic Text all DIFFER from each other. Add up the 'begats' in Genesis, and the MT says there was 1, 656 years from Creation to the Flood, but the LXX says there were 2, 242 years -- and the LXX adds 'Kainan' to the genealogy, sandwiched between Arphaxad and Shelah . . . or did the Masoretes DELETE Kainan? Only an idiot would call 'scripture' "infallible" given these and many other facts concerning the extant texts.

[DanOcchiogrosso-ujbe]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but is he really saying that Roman Catholics shouldn’t have to defend dogmas with alleged contradictions when they anathematize Protestants for not believing them? Wouldn’t the burden of proof fall of the party doing the excommunicating?

Thanks for reading!

[yoyeo]

The Berean Perspective, owned Trent with SCRIPTURE. Check it out, Trent won't post the interview.