Wing Chun vs Boxing | Why Man Sao Does Not Work Against Boxing

► Wing Chun vs Boxing. The Wing Chun technique of Man Sao DOES NOT WORK against a jab in boxing. Man Sao is a long Wing Chun bridging technique that if uses leaves a Wing Chun practitioner open to a series of boxing counter attacks. So here is how to close the gap safely against a boxing combination.

Short Wing Chun bridges can help over come this problem, but good footwork is required to apply against a boxing combination. We discuss how you should ride a boxing jab in a Wing Chun stance.

Good footwork is also key when trying to use Wing Chun against a boxing combination. Boxers can move freely, so go train, train hard.

Look out for future Wing Chun Techniques for beginners to advanced students on how to improve your approach to Wing Chun training.

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[_Anonymous_]

Great video. Love to see adaptations of Wing Chun for other environments and against other styles. Cool stuff.

[stNeoSpartan]

Good videos, I recommend you invite in a former/current pro boxer and work some light sparring rounds. And test out your techniques.
In my gym, it's one thing to spar with peers, a totally different animal to spar with the coaches. I can't time his jab the way I can with less experienced fighters. So I gotta stay moving when in range or I am gonna get tagged hard.

I often see that issue is not so much the technique but the skill of the practitioner. What makes Boxers, MMA, Muay Thai so dangerous is that they go 100% very often. So even though the rules place limitations, the practitioner's speed, reflex, ability to detect patterns, and dealing with the stress all increase . As Mike Tyson said "Everybody has a plan, until they get punched in the face".

[georgekondylis]

There’s really nothing shown here that boxers don’t do better. And a severe underestimation of a boxers skill.
By the way, we don’t always jab and move. If we see an unbladed stance with hands held like that we attack. Boxing punches hit much harder than wing Chun and in combination you won’t parry a thing.

[milospacetam]

An advantage of being an ambidextrous fighting style!
This also makes a lot of sense for dealing with longer range styles and using good footwork to close into the Wing Chun fighting in phoneboxes range style.

[Jerry-ucpn]

Very interesting, good to see a teacher with s good understanding of both styles and how they can be applied against each other

[arnaudbaernhoft]

Fantastic ! These videos are definitely helping me train during the week. Thanks again !

[NabilAbdulrashidComedy]

Noticed a wrestling style arm drag! Hmmm the master seems to have many tricks

[saundebn]

Thank you very much for your videos, I always enjoy them. I'm wondering if I could ask you about something I've always wondered that this video got me thinking about again. It seems like the Wing Chun requires tremendous reflexes and precision and much of the training is built around developing those reflexes. As just one example, the reaction time required to follow a jab thrown at full speed as you demonstrate here would be considerable. I certainly can see how developing those reflexes would be incredibly valuable, and that this would be very effective when implemented by someone like you who has mastered these techniques and developed that speed. But it seems like anyone attempting to use Wing Chun in a fight before achieving that mastery would be putting themselves directly into greater danger since it so often requires that you step into their range faster than they can react.

Contrast this to (again as just one example) the boxing style you mention here where you are taught early on to get in, throw a 2 or 3 punch combo, cover your head and keep it moving while you get out. Even if their technique is sloppy, as long as they keep that head moving it's very likely that the worst thing that happens is 

I guess a simpler, but slightly rude way of putting it (which is definitely not my intent, much apologies) is that it seems like a beginning boxer would generally defeat a beginning student of Wing Chun even if an advanced Wing Chun student could generally defeat an advanced boxer. Is that fair to say? I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Again, I hope this doesn't appear as a rude question. I've asked other instructors this and they've taken it as a criticism of the style, which is not at all my intent. Thanks very much for all the instruction you've shared.

[realherbalism]

Couple of points I'd like to make. A the WC punch isn't designed to just stay out there. You're supposed to be relaxed before & after delivery thus minimizing energy expenditure & leaving the punching hand free to do something else like stick, attack again, or defend.
When the arm is not being used for offense, it should remain one fist away from the body to provide defense for the ribs.
Isn't just better to maintain your distance until they initiate & then intercept their attack with one of your own?

[pierrewilliam]

Great ! I'd love to see such concepts applied under boxing contexts (sparring or pro-fighter using these concepts, gloves on).

[mdigitalman]

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but what your explaining just starts looking more and more like boxing and less like WC. What I see in this video resembles greatly what seen in Bruce Lee's Jun Fan Kickboxing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing you in any way. I think what you're doing is fantastic.

[christophertaylor]

Sifu Phillips I would add centerline concepts against takedowns, attack the centerline on the back a good hard press on the spine destroys there ability to hold on.

[TENGUartesmarciales]

Quite interesting, I love this counter-sport techniques, could you show some more defense on sports kicking or takedown techniques as well?

Or if the video is out I'd be happy to see it :)

[leighbuckwell]

Many years of wing chun training under an amazing si fu, jullian williamson. Moved on to mma training and fought a few good boxers. Boxers are no doubt the hardest to fight, as they want to be very close. But they cannot defend, if u keep ur guard up and use rear stamp kick to the knee, Fact! After two rounds they will not be able to stand and drop their guard. Using the rear stamp kick, enables full defence, but they dont see the damage coming. Mma is another level which would destroy any average boxer!

[damijanruzic]

Well, knowing both arts is essential. Wing Chun is great, but boxing punch will probably knock out the oponent, do not forget that.

[EliteBlackSash]

#1 Rule is do NOT play anyones game. Use the tools that counter theirs. Esp if your kungfu school spars w mma rules (all skills). Make friends and invite them to come pressure your crew.
#2 is, it’s the FEET that win it for you. Flat feet make for hands that can never quite reach and a chin that’s always in reach
#3 is, think, “How can I impose my will.” Counter play is good against untrained sucker punchers and belligerent idiots. But, against someone trained — his action speed is always faster than your reaction speed.
#4 If you’re in a setting with MMA rules — cool. Don’t chase a boxer with kungfu punches. He backs up off you like that, he put himself in perfect range for LEG KICKS. 95% of Kungfu punches work from the clinch (“trap”). If you train Kungfu, drill the clinch even more than the local Muay Thai gyms do. And most of them dedicate an entire night of the week to it. Once you’re confident, make FRIENDS with them, ask for a drop in or a private lesson and then pay to drop in on their clinch class and see what you can exchange :o)
#5 is do not stop. Literally. KungFu drills are rendered non functional by most teachers. Why? Because they stop the action to TALK too much. Continuous flow, non stop, in real life speed, with the power dialed down will yield much better results. Talk afterwards. You have to be free to make mistakes — that’s a talent development principle. Embrace the mistakes.

A talented, respected kungfu man this will make of everyone of you, guaranteed.

Lastly is, change the kungfu school culture at your place of choice. Sifu’s aren’t allowed the same leeway to be human as Coaches are. Kill the idol worship and let your Sifu have weaknesses. “Rolling” with a coach, no one expects them to be invincible. That allows everyone to grow. Expecting your Sifu to be invincible with All the answers only makes them not want to really mix it up, for fear of losing face... and students.

Happy Training, peeps.

[coolpeople]

very good video, super realistic, and great improvisation, one of the best
i've seen so far.

[KShawIII]

Nice video. I was wondering how you would deal with a boxer who not only darts in and out with a jab but adds a defensive movement after each and every attack?

[ronin]

Good video but i actually disagree with this. I have been doing Wing Chun for about 2 years now and i have sparred with some of my friends who train in boxing gyms regularly. I find that the Man Sau actually does a pretty good job if used right. My sifu taught my the Man Sau can be used to engage i.e. punch forward. So what i often do is when the boxer throws a jab, my man sau actually bridges and ofsets his jab, and due to my muscle memory that has been developed from constant chisau training, my body automaticially goes forward as soon as My Man Sau makes contact with his jab.


In other words, in my experience, I use my Man sau to ofset his jab, but at the same time, i dont just stand there like a statue. As soon as I feel the jab touch my Man Sau, I have my Wu sau at the ready and i send my Man Sau forward and step in by turning it into a punch. Most of the time what happens is it acts like a jab and disrupts them, allowing me to move in and go on the offensive, however, with my more experienced boxing friends, I find that despire the fact that their jab has been ofset and my man sau has hit them, they sre still able to throw a straight or a right hand. In which case I then use Tan Da and move in.


I kinda rambled a bit at the end but I honestly find Man sau quite useful for both gauging distance and ofsetting the punches. The man sau is useful if used right. If you stand there like a statue, its basically just shit. But If you stick to your opponent and move in at the point of contact, you can dominate the fight and win.

[mightymeatmonsta]

Why not rotate the body away from the attack and then step in, on an angle after making contact and following him in? When he throws a right jab, you correctly blocked it close to the head. Why not block in towards the center, instead of blocking away from the center, rotating the body square (you will be at a 45 degree angle to him, outside of his counter), then step in and attack after following the hand in? This way, there is NO chance of him countering because you will be on the blind side, outside of his counter and out of reach. Why must you stand directly in front of him. Isn't that too dangerous?