BoJack Horseman - I have half a mind

Season 4 Episode 2

BoJack Horseman The Old Sugarman Place (s04e02)

[olidon]

In the end Beatrice never did love anyone as much as Honey loved Crackerjack. Not even her own son.

[kirbydedede]

This season was so heavy. It was so horrifying in a good way.

[LouRaccoon]

Reminds me of something Beatrice said to Bojack in a previous season "I hope you die before I do so you never have to see what it feels like to lose a mother" - this is her most painful moment, this is where she lost her mother.

[lilliancrane]

What's really disturbing is how she says "like I 'loved' Crackerjack", not 'love'. She can't even feel love for her son anymore, like it was scooped out of her.

[Zeruel]

For anyone wondering, yes this is absolutely a thing that people did to family members with issues back in the 1940s. Several thousand US soldiers were given lobotomies after developing (what we now know was) PTSD after coming home from WW2. In the 1950s one boy was given a lobotomy at the request of his stepmother because she didn't like him and thought it would make him easier to handle

So as horrific as this scene is, it's not made up, this sort of thing absolutely happened

[ThatGamerDude]

"Beatrice... promise me you'll never love anyone as much as I loved Crackerjack."
"I promise! I won't..."
Well now I see why Beatrice never treated Bojack with any love. Too afraid to get too attached to her own son. Afraid of the sorrow she'll face if she loves and loses Bojack. Afraid of becoming a shell of her former self, like her mom, in the process. But either way, she still became that shell.

[howlbigbadwolf]

In a way, he lobotomized his wife and his daughter, his wife physically and his daughter emotionally. Did anyone else pick up that Vibe as well?

[Andrea-vmmo]

The fact that there is a possibility no one will ever know the details of Beatrice and her mother's story, because there's no one around who's capable of telling it, is so mind-boggling to me. Even if Beatrice was all there, with all her memories, there is no way in hell she would ever communicate the full extent of her trauma to anyone. And that's just... so sad and terrifying to me.

[JimmySteller]

This scene makes my blood turn cold. Even after all the darkness which this show has ventured into, I think this moment of a little girl sobbing into her lobotomized mother's lap is the most horrific image that this show has yet produced.

[inflightb]

This moment was hard to watch at first. Thats what happened to my grandmother. She wanted a divorce and was declared hysterical. The things they could do back in the day...

[michaelcs]

Joseph: "You ruined your own wedding!"
Beatrice: "YOU RUINED MOM!"

[jackheslop]

Joseph Sugarman is evidence that evil isn't always obvious. Even a seemingly nice, upstanding man, which is what he seemed to be at the start of the episode, can be capable of truly horrifying acts of cruelty for the sake of convenience.

I've heard it said that he thought he was helping, but I don't buy that. He didn't want to be embarrassed by an unpredictable wife, so he robbed her of her personality and consigned her to waking death. All for convenience. To me, the most chilling moment in this season is a throwaway bit where Beatrice is arguing with Butterscotch, says something like "my father understood what marriage was!", and then the show cuts to a brief flashback of Joseph shaking and screaming at his lobotomised wife, while young Beatrice watches through a doorway.

Holy shit, Bojack Horseman went to some deep, dark places this season...

[erichawkins]

The poison all started with Joseph Sugarman

[nintendonut]

"Why I have half a mind" proved to be the darkest joke in the entire program. Honestly pretty surprising given how dark this final season got.

[Blitzo]

Despite Beatrice’s treatment of Bojack I still can’t help but feel sorry for her. Seriously, how did the writers manage to make me feel sympathy for the most despicable fictional character in existence?

[austinhoward]

I think what I like most about this scene is how it's a subversion of how the 40's were portrayed throughout the episode. For most of it, it was played for comedy. Joseph says something casually racist or sexist, and the episode says "Ha ha, weren't the 40's such a different time?" Then they hit you with this, and it's like "Yeah, the 40's certainly were a different time, and it was horrific"

[pihdbtf]

Her father is scary as heck
He seems so nice at first but later on you realise he's just abusing both his daughter and wife

[Keyinei]

"Honey Sugarman, how did such a sweet face end up with such a smart mouth?"
"I don't know, but I have half a mind to kiss you with that smart mouth."
"Well that half you can keep!"

welp. looks like I won't be needing any sleep tonight.

[hopper]

“What a pretty girl.” That gets to me so bad. She still cares about her daughter and loves her.

[ChallockStudios]

"Why I have half a that quote is still echoing in my head it's really sad