Thoughts on the T-14 Armata Tiff

I throw my oar in to muddy the waters on the topic a bit more and divert into almost entirely irrelevant territory. Whilst editing this video, I have been reminded of Jack Nicholson's "can't we just get along" speech in Mars Attacks!, and Tim Curry's Wadsworth in Clue. But anyway. Why the Tank Internet World is spending so much time on this subject is beyond me.

0:00 Background
1:02 Rant asking why this is such an important argument anyway.
2:48 Appropriate responses to disagreements, and FOLLOW THE LOGIC, NOT THE CREATOR!
5:11 Did the Americans develop their own torsion bars?
6:24 The Tank Engine of Theseus
6:58 The Tank of Theseus
8:23 The T-14 breakdown on parade
9:09 Final thoughts

[TheChieftainsHatch]

No, I didn't delete the previously pinned comment either. I'm happy to believe it was some automated Youtube thing I haven't found the report of, and you know, it's probably for the best anyway. We know what was said by both parties and we likely don't need a monument to these events ten years from now so I'm not going to go looking for it to resurrect it in any case. That would hardly let us move forward. ConeofArc has indicated he'll be issuing an apology on a forthcoming video for his being out of bounds as well in his response video, and that should put an end to it. Not least, I think folks misinterpreted a few of the previously pinned statements as being addressed at me, and not the wider webizenry.

Part of the idiocy is that half my comments were directed at the audiences at large, not creators (A reverse of the above!), and have been validated through events such as an attempt at doxxing me on one creator's Discord (To their credit, the server mods banned him immediately... but what on Earth was he trying to achieve? My name is public record!), and a number of the (currently) public 3, 411 comments below who apparently didn't hear what I was saying about being cult members, for one creator or another, which I am leaving up as monuments to themselves. The Youtube Spam filter has caught a bunch more which we have as a group at large been spared.

As an aside, I had to google 'clout chasing', which some of the posts (Not, I would observe, the formerly pinned one, contrary to mis-interpretation) have accused me of. I'm in a position where I can walk into most any major tank museum in the world and immediately be recognized by staff (Hell, my local gun shop staff recognized me). How much more 'clout' do I need? Idiots. Anyway, back to editing my Kurassier video...

[specialagent]

I feel like the only solution is for you, Lazerpig, ConeofArc, and RedEffect to smuggle a T-14 out of Russia and take it apart on a livestream.

[daiakunin]

There's only one way to truly settle this dispute: take all the arguing to the war thunder forums and keep arguing until someone from the Russian MOD leaks all the classified documents about the T-14 to definitively answer all the questions about it.

[AnimarchyHistory]

I’m sticking to aeroplanes. Tank nerds are scary.

[ZenizhivGreen]

Amazing, the T14 have destroyed a community without firing a single shot

[certifiedrat]

This gives me the vibe of your dad saying "I don't care who started it, I'm finishing it" when you had an argument with your sibling as a kid.

[erikgranqvist]

I have from a very unreliable source that the T14 is powered by a 4 boiler setup stolen from the battleship Bismark. That is why the Germans paddeled around in the ship with oares.

[toasterbathboi]

I am here to act as an ambassador for The History Channel and say:

It was aliens. Humans simply arent smart enought to put 2 V shaped engines together and make an X, the aliens did it for us

[Grashan]

Well to be honest, in my humble opinion, of course without seeking to offend anyone who thinks differently to my point of view, but also by looking into this matter with a different perspective, and without being condemning of other's views, and trying to be objective, and considering all available evidence, I think that I have completely forgotten what I was going to say.

[gallendugall]

I suspect the engine for the T-14 was developed by gnomes deep beneath the earth. I base this on the amount of whiskey I have consumed prior to watching this video, and I stand by my conclusion.

[pacifist]

This is what happens when David Fletcher retires. We need his moustache to provide guidance in these dark times.

[nicholaswalsh]

It is my speculation that the T-14 Armata was grown from the seed of a destroyed T-34 somewhere in central Russia. However it was harvested too early, which is why it hasn't done anything.

[JackaWilko]

Maybe this was the reason the T-14 was built after all; not to win wars, but to sow social discourse.

We’ve been bamboozled.

[Xostriyad]

Ok, but would you rather fight 100 pig shaped cones or one lazer shaped arc?

[Windhox_cz]

Wait a minute. Did LazerPig delete his pinned comment under this video after he said "but I'm not going to delete it because that would be disingenuous of me (source: his community post)"?

[justakerbal]

Here is lazerpig’s deleted comment for those who want to see it “Thank you Cheftain, thank you for wandering into a drama fest you had nothing to do with, that had already calmed down, that I specifically stated I want nothing further to do with, to state your opinion that essentially surmounts to everyone needs to just get along".
I'm extremly dissapointed that this is the angle you choose, and that you opted to critque me for being unprofessional and for making a response video in a response video you yourself made about a situation to which you have no involvement with absoloutly no sense of irony.
it has been three months since RedEffect made his initial video crtiquing my thoughts on the T-14 and, as I acknowlegded, I am only finally responding to this because Cone decided to jump on the bandwagon and I realized this was something I needed to address rather than ignore.
Do we honestly need every Youtuber on the planet vaguely related to tanks waddling into this argument with nothing more to say than "everyone needs to calm down"?
Of course not.
As I've stated before we are not going to find any credable source that will state with 100% confidence that the T-14's engine is related to the German WW2 SLA 16, that we can state with any degree of confidence to be 100% factual. That kind of thing very rarly happens in history, of which you are fully aware of. Therefore in the need to be honest and truthful with my audience I have to state that I don't know for sure, but I am convinced it is related and I went over a lot of the reasons and evidence why i think that, I've been very open and I've been very honest with what I beleive, and so far no-one has yet to provide any reasonable counter which has made me doubt those beliefs.
We can never honestly be sure of anything, and I've made a Youtube Career going over many things people were sure about which, on closer inspection, turn out to be questionable.
But I suppose if we cultivate a culture where no-one is sure of anything and everyone is encouraged to question what is being said, then we enter an age of endless, unwinnable, debate where the only victor is the one who presents to be reasonable and asks for calm.
I have a business email address listed on my channel. If you wish to get involved I would actully appreciate your input on my research which I would be more than willing to share” I foresaw this comment getting deleted a mile away considering how controversial it was lol

[Graphene_]

I'd say the biggest hit of the question whether or not T-14 is a capable modern tank is that it isn't fielded in meaningful numbers. Who cares if someone claims it has this or that if the tank isn't used. If the tank isn't used its just an expensive box of steel.

[gavincross]

Can’t we all just come to the agreement that T-14 is a later modification of “Little Willie”, and continue with enjoying tanks peacefully?

[TheNecromancer]

As a powertrain engineer, if you keep a basic engine design, without major changes int the basic concept, its the same engine family. Thats why the AVDS 1790 is still the same family, as the original AV1790, despite it changing from a naturally aspirated, aircooled Carburated Petrol to a Turbocharged Diesel, still aircooled.
Thats why the W92SF in the T90M is still the same engine family as the W2 of the BT7M and T34 fame. In that special case, except for evolution in metallurgy and manufacturing technology, there was very little change, except for the addition of a Super- and Later Turbocharger.
Then again, tank engines are quite long lived compared to car engines for example. A 45 year old Tank engine is still perfectly viable in modfied form, see the MTU 873 in the Leopard 2. A 45 year old car engine, is close to useless.
Most new tank engines of the last years were copies of the MTU 873.
The only major exception is MTUs 892 series engine.

[neilcameron]

My view of the tiff is that it is an image file format for storing raster graphics images, popular among graphic artists, the publishing industry, and photographers.