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I don't own anything except my voice.

[Wumbo_the_Mumbo]

Tangentially related: One of the reasons the ATLA Netflix adaptation didn't work for me is because Sokka wasn't misogynistic. A huge part of his character arc in the first couple seasons was learning from women so that he could outgrow those tendencies and be the Sokka we see in the last seasons. His misogyny gave the writers a chance to show off more women and what they are capable of

[OMGkawaiiAngel-chan]

People need to realise there's a difference between media promoting a bad thing vs exploring a bad thing.

[IceDragn]

Reminds me of when A Series of Unfortunate Events: The Bad Beginning was getting a lot of angry parents (because of the child marriage plotline) and Lemony Snicket was like "How am I supposed to write a villain who doesn't do villainous things?"

[liamcael]

Reminds me of this one stand-up clip where a girl said that they took all of the Nazi stuff out of the sound of music and the guy on stage said that defeats the whole point!

[OtisCluck]

DEPICTION! 👏🏻 IS! 👏🏻 NOT! 👏🏻 ENDORSEMENT!! 👏🏻

[foxbox]

It gets much worse when you're dealing with characters who are in a moral grey area

[cherylanderson]

I was talking to somone about death note, explaining how in the show kira kills all of the people he determines to be "bad criminals" knowing only their face and name, disregarding their story and motivations. And its not his place to enforce his sense of justice. He operates on a simple sense of right and wrong and anyone who violates it is punished severely without remorse. Which deumanizing crimminals to justify murdering them just makes him a serial killer. Worse than alot of the people he's executed. Even if his intention is to create a better world is good, his approach is very misguided, but also in line with his arrogance and ultimante goal of power over others to enforce his ideal world with him as the god of everyone.

And they said "you shouldnt watch a show about killing people."

even tumblr has more media literacy than that.

[personhuman]

There's a big issue with people assuming portrayal of something automatically means endorsement, which is at least apart of why this aversion to "problematic" topics happens I think. Of course it could also range from personal squeamishness to an active attempt at suppression

[thegremlinsovereign]

showing bad things isnt bad, but showing bad things as good things is

[swordhere]

This is every time incest or cannibalism apears in media.

It doesn't matter if you are subtle, It doesn't matter if you make only the villain do it, It doesn't matter if you throw away all subtlety and go on an hour long rant about how incest and cannibalism are bad things,

People would still look at it and call it "The artist's barely disguised fetish".

[BrimstoneBish]

I would -like- LOVE to be in the same room as the "it's bad because it depicts toxic masculinity" crowd, the "Belle should've married Gaston so she doesn't get her head chopped off in the upcoming French revolution" squad, and an industrial sized bag popcorn.

[elcatrinc]

There are instances where, no matter how explicit you are with a topic, there will always be that one person who maliciously get its wrong on purpose just to create a probolem

[TheAmazingBlackStar]

This reminds me of that post calling someone out for like Midsommar b/c it depicts the cult doing ableist/ageist/sexist stuff, and the person being called out just replied “it’s a horror movie?” I fear media analysis is becoming a lost art when people cannot understand that the actions of an evil cult in a horror movie are not something aspirational.

[triacontahedron]

When that schoolboard banned Maus, this was some of the "logic" they used.

[loboloko]

I remember when they went "the mario movie is bad becouse bowser is a stalker" like yeah becuse he is the villan

[WhyAreAllTagsTaken]

I’ve been told my writing promotes things like orientalism and philosophical ornamentalism (not towards east asia in my story bc I made this world up entirely, but it’s basically orientalism and philosophical ornamentalism in a fantasy universe) when the point of my writing is to show how these things can and do affect someone and how they are bad. The story follows a character who was told their whole life that the only thing they’ll be good for is eye candy because of their ethnicity, that if they aren’t pretty to look at then they’re useless, and all this on top of having to deal with people stereotyping their culture and seeing them as “exotic” or “mysterious” because of it. During the story, the reader sees how much this stereotyping affects their physical, mental, and emotional health, and how they start to internally orientalize themself to appeal to what the world wants from them (which is beauty, quietness, “exotic-ness”, and nothing more). These two things are big issues in our society, and all I’m doing is calling them out in a different universe’s context. Just because stories talk about these bad and not okay things doesn’t mean they condone them.

[UmbralKnight]

depicting bad things is not problematic. depicting a character glorifying the bad thing is not problematic. the author glorifying the bad thing *is* problematic.

[neonradius]

The Hays Code, from 1934-1968, was a set of moral codes for films that stated you could only show certain acts of deviancy if it was made clear that characters were punished so audiences would know that these were bad things. They didn’t trust audiences to be able to know something was bad on their own.

People today arguing on the internet have less media literacy then a 1940s film audience was expected to have.

For an example of how the Hays Code could impact movies, the 1956 movie Bad Seed (based on a novel where a young innocent girl gets away with murder) ends with the girl getting STRUCK BY LIGHTNING, likely to fit in with the Hays Code and its influence.

My favorite example is that the creators of “Gone With the Wind” had to fight to keep the iconic “Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn” in the movie because it was considered so scandalous. No shit, they had to change the Hays Code after this movie because previously the word damn wasn’t even allowed. So next time someone says movies today are too strict and you can’t publish anything, remember Gone With the Wind was too ‘damn’ controversial

[felwalkr_]

Reminds me of a vid I saw recently about the differences between the live action and og animation “Poor Unfortunate Souls”. In the LA, they straight up removed a portion of the song where Ursula was convincing Ariel she didn’t need her voice to get a man, and made a handful of misogynistic points. There wasn’t really a need to take those out because those views are coming from a villainous character, and are therefore WRONG.

They also messed up the whole flow of the song, but that happened with most of the songs in the movie.

[DWMASkull]

When people say that liking Blue from Heathers or Hold Them Down from Epic means that you're ok with what the characters are singing about my blood pressure also raises