The Rings of Power: No Canon For You

The Rings of Power: No Canon For You
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Art and Animation by Just Some Guy

Original trailer concept: FMA Brotherhood & Black Summoner

Music: "Enkon Hakuchuumu" by Sakagami Souichi - Copyright (C) 2015 Trial & Error/Sakagami Souichi All rights reserved.

[stormryder]

If there is "no such things as canon, " then there is no such as "Tolkien professor."

[JLkeepinitrealdude]

We can now safely discredit that Tolkien “professor” and never trust his word- *ever* again

[aaronclients]

Tolkien can change his world because he created it. No one else can

[John-gxry]

You guys didn't let him finish.

He means "there's no such thing as canon, when theres a slice of a billion dollar budget to be had"

[Jimmie]

“No Tolkien canon”? Maybe Doctor Olsen meant to say “no token cannon.”

[skuripandaburns]

Also, the quote "to the east I go not" was said to "some dude in Gondor" Faramir, and in context of the entire quote it literally meant that Gandalf never went to the east, which Tolkien also later explained very specifically, down to which river Gandalf didn't cross. Gandalf was never in Rhun.

[danieldonnert]

The unfortunate conclusion of a "Tolkien professor" declaring that there is no "Tolkien canon" is that he's paid to just make things up. So his opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

[Tar-Elenion]

Olsen:

_"That same passage where he talks about his many names he says "To the East, I go not."_
_When we look at that quote in context, he's talking to a dude from Gondor, and the people of Gondor. the call Mordor "the East"._
_He meant: "Don't expect me to go throw down with, you know, the Dark Lord at the gates of Barad-dur.""_

In "That same passage" the "dude" is Faramir. And it is Faramir relating to Frodo and Sam what Gandalf has said to him:

"‘Mithrandir we called him in elf-fashion, ’ said Faramir, ‘and he was content. Many are my names in many countries, he said. Mithrandir among the Elves, Tharkûn to the Dwarves; Olórin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, in the South Incánus, in the North Gandalf; to the East I go not.’"
LotR, Window on the West

The self-declared "Tolkien Professor" claims that it means that Gandalf will not go to Mordor to personally fight Sauron.

The self-declared "Tolkien Professor" is saying this in defense of A-RoP having *Gandalf in *Rhun.

But lets see what another professor has to say about this. That professor being one Professor Tolkien:

"The date of Gandalf’s arrival is uncertain. He came from beyond the Sea, apparently at about the same time as the first signs were noted of the re-arising of ‘the Shadow’: the reappearance and spread of evil things. But he is seldom mentioned in any annals or records during the second millennium of the Third Age. Probably he wandered long (in various guises), engaged not in deeds and events but in exploring the hearts of Elves and Men who had been and might still be expected to be opposed to Sauron. His own statement (or a version of it, and in any case not fully understood) is preserved that his name in youth was Olórin in the West, but he was called Mithrandir by the Elves (Grey Wanderer), Tharkûn by the Dwarves (said to mean ‘Staff-man’), Incánus in the South, and Gandalf in the North, but ‘to the East I go not’.

‘The West’ here plainly means the Far West beyond the Sea, not part of Middle-earth; the name Olórin is of High-Elven form. ‘The North’ must refer to the North-western regions of Middle-earth, in which most of the inhabitants or speaking-peoples were and remained uncorrupted by Morgoth or Sauron. In those regions resistance would be strongest to the evils left behind by the Enemy, or to Sauron his servant, if he should reappear. The bounds of this region were naturally vague; its eastern frontier was roughly the River Carnen to its junction with Celduin (the River Running), and so to Núrnen, and thence south to the ancient confines of South Gondor. (It did not originally exclude Mordor, which was occupied by Sauron, although outside his original realms ‘in the East’, as a deliberate threat to the West and the Númenóreans.) ‘The North’ thus includes all this great area: roughly West to East from the Gulf of Lune to Núrnen, and North and South from Carn Dûm to the southern bounds of ancient Gondor between it and Near Harad. Beyond Núrnen Gandalf had never gone."
Unfinished Tales, The Istari, a pre- 2nd edition of Lord of the Rings note

"It is very unclear what was meant by ‘in the South’. Gandalf disclaimed ever visiting ‘the East’, but actually he appears to have confined his journeys and guardianship to the western lands, inhabited by Elves and peoples in general hostile to Sauron. At any rate it seems unlikely that he ever journeyed or stayed long enough in the Harad (or Far Harad!) to have there acquired a special name in any of the alien languages of those little known regions. The South should thus mean Gondor (at its widest those lands under the suzerainty of Gondor at the height of its power). At the time of this Tale, however, we find Gandalf always called Mithrandir in Gondor (by men of rank or Númenórean origin, as Denethor, Faramir, etc.). This is Sindarin, and given as the name used by the Elves; but men of rank in Gondor knew and used this language. The ‘popular’ name in the Westron or Common Speech was evidently one meaning ‘Greymantle’, but having been devised long before was now in an archaic form. This is maybe represented by the Greyhame used by Éomer in Rohan."
Unfinished Tales, The Istari, 1967 note

Professor Tolkien, contra Corey Olsen, writes that the meaning of "to the East I go not" is literal. Gandalf did not go in to Rhun.

Why does this self-declared "Tolkien Professor" continue, repeatedly, to make false claims about what Tolkien said, wrote, meant or intended...

*'Do you want to be true to what you think Tolkien was imagining...OR, do you want to be true to what Tolkien said about the world'*

[studiolau]

Guess he got a chunk of that billion dollar budget

[MrsMacLover]

Maybe the hackfraud professor was talking about GrandElf instead of Gandalf 😂😂

[radovanobal]

I understand why Terry Pratchett had his assistant destroy his unpublished works.

[lordsinister]

This is a growing Trend amongst new writers and producers. They constantly act like they know better than the original creator. Therefore they can change parts of the lore or the story and it will still work. The problem is these changes rarely if ever work. Star Wars now has this problem as well

[katemaloney]

Canon lies with the creator, not with the supplanter.

[Polka_Ch]

We know it as canon. They know it as suggestions.

[Patterner]

"tell me you're not an expert without telling me you're not an expert"

i'm only an expert in certain aspects of software engineering, but quite often "experts" in my field are "mid" at best. so i never trust any "expert" where i cannot verify the creds.

[nathancof]

The guy is following that sweet, sweet Amazon money.

[dankgankster]

Finally someone who understands the fundamentals of canon. Only the creator of the IP may change the IP.

That’s why there are only 6 Star Wars movies. Disney may have bought the rights but that shit ain’t canon.

[SoldierSpiderx]

Everyone: Yeah that guy is totally Gandalf...
(15 Episodes later)
Amazon: Surprise! It was actually Gandalf all along!

[cloudydays]

Defending the Rings of Power is like arguing that a square is a circle.

[acerimmer]

Olsen has no credibility and will say what they tell him, good grief. He's no different than the "super fans" and bots they use to pad the numbers.