Introverted Thinking (Ti) Is Interesting

Random thoughts on having Ti as an INTJ.

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[Lanayamamoto]

INTJ lurker here, very accurate. I like how INTPs and INTJs are both rationals but think logically in different ways.

[boy]

I see having Ti vs Fi really has a big impact on the thought process. As an INFJ i actually never have any problem arguing with a Ti Doms. Either we come to a common conclusion or even if we are not in agreement i still get to a point where i can see and understand how they arrived to that conclusion. But i always have a hard time arguing with Fi Doms, its either we are on the same page or we are not on the same page and i cant get it and have to just accept it as it is. I Guess other Fi users would just simulate the same situation internally in order to understand the other Fi person's perspective instead ?

[amyf.]

I love your content! It's funny, which makes it fun to listen to, and it's insightful, which makes it fascinating to listen to. Thanks for taking the time to lay out these ideas for us to contemplate.

[SlakOffs]

Ti tries to build a complete framework of understanding of everything with varying levels of depth. It's like Fi in that if it believes enough depth has been acquired, it can dismiss Te data and assume something was inaccurate with the way it was acquired or the conclusions that were drawn

[hindrasha]

As a Ti user, i am not sure about anything. I always leave roome for doubt, i talk about my ideas with % and it's nearly never 100% (i even used nearly here just to not say "never" and give a 100% information)

[kimtopology]

I think both Types what they do have in common is both are theoretical their logic may confound each other but both love to talk about theories it's undeniable .

[leedlbagginshield]

As an Fi dom, your description of Fi (and Ti) is so spot on. I feel exposed

[higeroman]

as an ISTP, there's no way for you to offend Ti lol, you can be wrong or giving false information to which Ti users will respond badly and try to clarify why they think you're missing something but there's no need to walk on eggshells really... UNLESS, you offend Fe and literally mock the Ti user in front of everybody... now you being an INTJ would mean blind Fe, so that might be the issue and that's why it may look like you hurt their Fi, it's the feeling function after all

As for Relationships, I mean, I can't say my view on it is weird, it's my own view after all but I will say that yes, I like to get to know the person I'd choose as my partner because then I can have a framework for their behavior, remember this, Ti is about reasons, and to us everything you do must have a reason, so we want to know the reasons for your behavior before you show them to us

[helenshianimation]

You are right about Ti being a lot like Fi. mbti community think that ExTPs don't have integrity because we have Fi blind, but actually our values are just uncompromising as Fi users, we just have different values. Fi users are likely to have a few people in their life they consider their very close friends even when they haven't seen each other for years, but as an ENTP, we also have those very few people that we really like, our Ti decides if they are right for us or not. Ti users do invest in relationships, we are just less likely to invest in romantic relationships, because if we like someone, our first instinct is that does this person like us or not, and if we figured out early on that they are just 'not that into us', than our Ti will just think that there is no point because we can't be in love with someone who never liked us to begin with.

[amy-lyne]

Great video! haha I love the intro where you say you are going to tell us how you "feel" about "thinking". It made me smile. Idk if you were trying to be clever but that was great 😂

[farhankapadia]

As an INTP myself, Ti is rather axiomatic with it's approach. Like an axiom, you take an assumption/foundation of logic and work around that. Hence, the focus on internal logic. So it can be principled quite similarly to Fi. But it's not exactly as emotionally attached to it like Fi is. Which is why no 2 Ti/Fi users will come to the same conclusions and agree on everything. As such, if their values get questioned/attacked, an Fi user is likely to get offended (depends on the Fi user tbh) and a Ti user would not because it's subjective logic and be used as an opportunity to refine said thing or acknowledge it's flaws. Ofc, there is the identity aspect which is quite similar as well. Both want to be accepted for their authentic selves from external sources, whether they channel that will their unfiltered logic (Ti) or feelings (Fi).

I can't speak from personal experiences on relationships myself since I don't have direct experience atm but based on my observations of others and how I would imagine myself being in one is that Idm having disagreements with alcohol or similar substances. I wouldn't really indulge too much myself with them since I don't enjoy it much aside from social occasions but if my partner was more into, for me as long as it's in moderation and they aren't sabotaging themselves financially or psychologically and being straight up unhealthy with it, they can do so. But that largely goes on to the conversation of negative freedom. Aside from that, if my partner and I have good chemistry and compatible, then it's fine.

With sources, I wouldn't say Ti would just go with those that have prestige as that would be an appeal to authority. I would assume that sounds like something an Fe/Te user would care about more since it's based on external metrics and not internal logic. Thus, look into various sources.

[nicoetic]

Interesting, I always thought Te was the one who would want info from a prestigious source because that would mean the info is likely more widely accepted as truth? I’m INFJ, so not Ti-dom/aux, but if something makes sense to me that’s all that really matters… though I usually assume that OTHER people will want sources because they won’t just accept “well it makes sense to me”…

But I also agree with what you said about being Ni-dom and not really accepting one source as truth because I’m always looking for more perspectives.

Also, yes I’ve considered going back to school, but again only because I feel that other people would respect what I have to say if I have some degree to point to, vs if I just became like a life coach or something. Maybe it’s just me not having confidence in my Ti since it’s lower in my stack…?

[annl.]

For me Ti hero protects me and above all protects my Fe inferior who can be too generous. If you date an alcoholic, it's not just the alcohol that's the problem but the reaction that the addicted person can have, such as being violent and dying early from liver cirrhosis. If he drinks moderately then it's fine because I also do it like in social situations or on occasions. I understand that if you don't drink at all you can't be with someone who drinks even moderately because it's most likely a religious issue or something very important to them. It's in their priorities. I don't think a Ti hero has a specific approach to the world of dating, at least I didn't have one. I met my partner by chance we started talking and we became friends but he flirted with me every now and then and I liked him then he asked me out and next year we have to get married. Never had plans or strategies I think for intjs it's difficult to understand but we don't have any or rather most don't have any.

[redroverly]

To add some perspective, every introverted function is gonna have a hill to die on so at least the level of depth on that 1 hill will equate to "10 different small hills" (extraverted functions). Its a way how the energy will be equally dispersed (introverted vs extraverted). An extraverted template fills like "20%" of the info for u but an introverted template fills like "80%" for u. However, both are equally important and useful for whatever the situation demands (common/general knowledge for extraverted functions or in-depth knowledge for introverted functions). Its why Te can respect Ti (cuz they already did 80% of the work, u just gotta finish the rest for yourself) and Ti can respect Te (cuz they already got 20% of the work, so I can get started without worrying about any bad inputs).

Btw, im just using 10 as a number example, it could be more or less as well as the %. But I digress that as a result of that, whatever introverted function u have, it allows u to dismiss its extraverted function counter part (Ti dismissing Te, Fi dismissing Fe, Si dismissing Se, Ni dismissing Ne) bcuz "there's levels to this, I have a whole foundation while u have none" (hence its arrogance but sometimes, its right depending on the person on how well their inputs are).

Another way to put it is that famous quote (paraphrased) of "I fear the person that practiced the 1 same kick 10 000 times more than the person that practices 10 000 kicks 10 times."

Scale the numbers accordingly and the introverted function wont mind dying on that 1 hill bcuz if they are right, they will progress far faster than anyone else but if they are wrong, they will take the biggest setbacks than anyone else. So ensure that the input u put in isnt trash cuz alot of it will be trash out. Having to detangle incorrect introverted info is a pain in the butt but u have them, so might as well use them to sharpen them effectively. Knowing that we learn a lot more from our mistakes than our successes can allow u to be more confident using the introverted functions bcuz u will learn once u know ur mistakes and work on having a solid foundation on whatever topic.

[sarahhhbae]

“INTJs are lurkers” yessss omg, agree with your take on Ti, i didn’t understand how logic could work if it wasn’t based on external objective factors.

[mayakrishnanulaganathan]

Liked the way you speak about relationships, yes if both have same values then it doesn't matter what other likes, they can grow, can have a good life; on other hand, if both are interested in same kind of things, but not having same values and views of the world, I don't see a life there.

[Elodie_N_INTJ_Analyzes]

I admire too how Ne Ti & Ti Ne can take/send a lot of knowledge... but not using it in the external world like Te to build/create things.
Differences are fascinating.

_Same to me : By lying to me, people don't hurt my feelings, but they hurt my "thinking."
Your example with alcohol is interesting, because I think both : that alcohol make people have bad behavior, can become a bad person, and also damage the body. Even without excess, consuming certain things have consequences. (My Te & Ti are at a similar level)

_I saw an MBTI content creator INTP, and I find him very stupid (in his Fe criticizing other types, women, and not open, not sharing his Ti knowledge, and almost no intuition, it's weird, his subjective logic don't make sense)
A Ti dom, like every other types, if they don't consider/develop their others functions, they are really stupid/unaware.
It's like an Ni dom making wrong connections, because they don't verify in the external world, not updating their patterns.
One day, and friend INTJ, said to young Ti dom on Discord : "Your logic is wrong." 😆
My INTP friend like my Ni gifts, and I appreciate his Ti to validate or correct me.

☁My ENFP friend and me, our wisdom : "we just share our perception & knowledge, and after people are free to take it or let it be, but don't criticize it"
It's like a book we put on a table, and people have the choice to open it, read it, or to let it be, but don't destroy it.

[Karmyst]

I highly agree that they can seem the same. I'm an INFJ and I have discussions with an INFP friend who almost mathematical when we are on certain topics. It's similar energy that comes off INTP's, probably filtered through the Si.

With Te users though, it just seems like they want to list out factual statements that arent causal. Just seems disjointed in terms of clarity and so it can't create any truth because it's just all the ingredients.

And I think that both Fi and Ti are supremely logical!

[kingjigabu]

ENTP: When you attack our "Values" it's not the value itself that's feels like it's coming under attack but our credibility as a reliable source of rhetoric or information. To some degree we need to be seen as logical and accurate in our thinking. We also get annoyed when we feel like our ideas are being challenged when we haven't had the chance to fully explain the complexity of our framework prior to it being challenged.

[critter_paws]

Man I (infj) would love to have an intj friend. I've always leaned heavily into ti. Philosophy was one of my majors and the art of debate as a way of getting closer to "truth" (vs zero sum) is something I crave on such a deep level.