Why Doesn't the Catholic Church Support Gay Marriage? W/ Trent Horn

Trent goes over the reasoning behind the Church's definition of marriage, and how the modern public consensus is based on a confusion of sex and love. In the full episode Trent goes into more detail responding to LGBT arguments, and clarifying the Church's position on same-sex relationships.

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[GinnyandEric]

A favorite quote: “To love is to will the good of the other.” -St. Thomas Aquinas

[josephjackson]

I think marriage should last until one spouse dies, hence "till death do us part".

[tonyl]

I think it is better to start by separating out the sacrament of marriage from civil marriage and then ask people why the govt has any business recognizing certain relationships, elevating their status, and forcing everyone else to recognize those relationships? Put religion aside and you will end up showing why Catholicism is right on this issue, i.e. children's rights.

[lorenzolozzigallo]

So many advocates for same-sex L marriage” making pointless remarks here.
I’ve had two long-terms homosexual relations before turning to Jesus and I lived as a gay man for thirty years, so they can’t fool me: homosexual relations are never the same as straight ones. Already the choice to purchase or adopt children is totally different from a real, heterosexual couple.
And Jesus can heal from SSA, if someone really believes in Him. I know it, because I’ve lived it.
From being gay unhappy atheist I am now a Catholic, burning of love for my Lord Jesus Christ… quite an improvement! Wish on all the gay advocates the same experience.
I was once what you still are, one fine day you shall become what I am now.

[csapienza]

I want to come into union with these strong arguments

[gareginasatryan]

Trent brings up an even a more interesting point. Why is the marriage vow eternal, why not say I love you for 10 years, 5, or even 2. We know that it sounds crass on an gut level, but the implications are there

[Wjeremiahh]

Why did the pope decide to support same sex marriage?? The Bible (apostle Paul) states that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. The pope is directly going against what the Bible states… why do Catholics still trust the Pope when he clearly goes against the word of GOD? Is he really someone to be trusted to give and teach Gods word? I personally see that he is not a man who is inspired by the holy spirit.. (I would love to get a Roman Catholics response)

[robertblake]

The whole purpose of recognizing same-sex "marriage" is to receive employer or government benefits.

[shaunsmith]

Just wandered on this podcast....amazing content! Thank you.

[Flame]

Hahahahaha Trent is great, I loved that elmo impression, Matt didn't give him the reaction he deserved.

[connorbrown]

I’m in the process of becoming Catholic. I am also a gay man. This is really the one subject that has never made any sense to me. And not because it applies to me.
The arguments against consensual, loving, committed same-sex relationships just don’t hold up. Jesus said that we shall know them by their fruits in regards to theological teaching. Studies have shown that denying your sexuality and participating in conversion therapy leads to increased depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts. Those are obviously bad fruits from a bad theological tree.
I will be the first one to stand with the Catholic Church to call out promiscuity. But there is a clear distinction between promiscuity and a loving, committed relationship.
It seems that the church has put these standards of living that are just impossible to uphold. Priests are required to take a vow of celibacy. But a recent study shows that most priests break that vow. And a decent proportion break it many times (both heterosexual and homosexual priests).
I am falling more and more in love with Catholicism and it’s core values. But I also pray for discernment. It’s healthy to wrestle with these things. I think blindly following along is quite dangerous and detrimental to one’s being and faith. To wrestle and question oftentimes leads to a deeper faith.

[paulblackburn]

Why aren't priests allowed to marry, they did in the old testament as well as early church bishops?

[FireRaptor]

Because I believed that God stablished marriage and mandkind don't have the authority to modify it as society wants. For that reason, there is no such a thing as gay marriage, and supporting or being against something that simply doesn't exist is nonesense.

Constitution may say whatever people want, but God's word doesn't. That's why, even today, gay marriage doesn't exist.

[tomfrombrunswick]

Arguments based on definitions are a waste of time as the definitions chosen often limit what people are talking about. In this case the discussion focuses on a dumb definition of marriage offered by a proponent of gay marriage. The discussion then goes on say how dumb it is and then comes up with a more traditional idea of what marriage is.
The reality is that marriage is two things. It is a type of contractual or legal arrangement. In addition in the Catholic Church it is a sacrament. Now one can understand that Catholics do not want their religious idea of marriage tampered with. Makes perfect sense. However this does not mean that you should stop others from being married in a civil sense. Before Christianity marriage in the Greek world was far more commercial.
The reality is that non Christians will get married all the time. Catholics have no objection to Hindu's or Buddists getting married. Why the problem with gays?

[eddiesblacksmithingkjv]

God is love. With out God there is no love. If u are outside the will of God u are outside of love. Homosexuality is outside the will of God. There is no love in it. God said marriage is between a man and a woman period no EXCEPTION.

[johnkronz]

“I’m not directly comparing incest to same-sex marriage, but...”

And he is surprised anyone is indignant at that old slur.

[MerdaLegal]

what about the church being ok with older man marrying young kids back in the day when we had arranged marriage?!

[flyingphoenix]

I think it's also worth differentiating the legal definition of marriage from the Biblical definition. There are countless things that a Christian might find legally permissible that are not Biblically permissible. Ought not alternative marriage arrangements be one of these? (so long as churches are not asked to acknowledge/host/promote such unions)

[ironymatt]

2:15 - methinks you grant Corvino too much credit. That's a definition you could expect from a layperson. A philosopher should be laughed out of academia for proposing such a loose, wide-ranging and simplistic description.
Perhaps that was just a summary of his position, but if he was so reticent in providing an explanation, that's all the more reason he should be given little credence on the matter.

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