Oriental 'Orthodoxy' Debunked

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𝐏𝐥𝐚𝐲𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐭 𝐨𝐧 𝐈𝐬𝐬𝐮𝐞 @therealMedWhite
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In REALITY the eastern and oriental BISHOPS have come to many key agreements on the Nature of Christ and are in serious dialogue to reunite. Please follow the direction of your BISHOPS and not what you see on YouTube. In REALITY Both churches love each other and want to there to be full communion once more.

minacross
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I converted to Oriental Orthodoxy 10 years ago. Glory be to God ✝️✝️✝️

OrthodoxAnswers
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Immature and combative video. Unnecessary sound effects throughout. Not the correct tone to approach this subject. The guy you are interviewing does not seem to be well-informed on the reason the meetings took place in the '90s, nor informed on the purpose behind the slogans. No one is crafting theology around those slogans, so he is arguing a moot point and belittling the efforts of goodwill from his own EO fathers on attempts at reconciliation. As far as repeatedly using the word "Oriental" in the video, none of the Churches refer to themselves as such. They are simply Orthodox. There are no "monophosyte apologists". And yes, the way things are worded is of deepest, most significant importance because we are attempting to apply human understanding to the mysterious, incomprehensible nature of the Holy Trinity. Language is of utmost importance because there are words in Coptic/Armenian/Ge'ez/etc that do not have direct substitutes in Greek/Latin/English, and vice versa. It should not be lost that the split that happened in 451 was also steeped in political intrigue (primarily against Alexandria), which reared its head again when the Catholics mutually excommunicated the EO 600 years later (Rome vs Constantinople) to position themselves as the center of the Christian World.

You are not displaying Christ-like behavior in this video. At the very least, you should approach this subject with grace, humility, invitation, and respect. Irrespective of what you believe, the "Oriental" believers that are the target of your video hail from the factually oldest Churches in the world, and have long been persecuted, maimed, and killed for their Faith for millenia. You and your friend cannot judge their virgin Church, their uncompromising beliefs, and their incredible dedication of preserving their Faith into this modern era. Only the High Priest knows their hearts, and will judge them before the Father. As He will judge you.

God Bless.

menelikjegna
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I am an oriental orthodox from the Tewahedo church. The word "tewahedo" is directly related to our Christology teachings. My church emphasizes the five doctrines known as "amade misterate, " which I have studied extensively. Even the way we understand the Trinity is uniquely sophisticated. Having said that, I would find it fascinating if you could facilitate a debate with a prominent Tewahedo scholar fluent in English. If you have organized such a discussion in the past, I would be grateful for the opportunity to learn from it.

addave
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you’re hererodox, you accept both councils that contradict each other heretic

ribbie
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My girlfriend and I just went to our first divine liturgy this last Sunday and plan on going again next week. It was truly something I had never experienced before

gothwrangler
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Fortunately, I have NEVER seen/heard an Oriental claim that the eastern church is not orthodox. If you have heard it, then I apologize. However, practically every eastern YouTuber, that I have watched, claims the oriental church is heretical. This is very sad.😔

minacross
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This video is like an argument about omelette and scrambled eggs. There both eggs.

kidyep
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The Ethiopians are not judaizers. For example with circumcision, The Ethiopians dont do it for salvation like the Jews in the OT.

natej
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"can't be created and uncreated at the same time" yet God is infinite yet finite in Christ...there are many "seeming" contradictions (another is how an infinite God was born to a woman) that exist with God because we can't know how it works. So you're limiting God and calling it reason.

Why can't God have a single nature that is both human and divine?

Maybe it's the over emphatic focus on "logic" that prevents you from seeing the real logic - God can do all things.


Every label limits Him. Every situation you say it has to be this or that limits Him.

You rely on your reason and not on God.

TrentonErker
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Pretty disgusting to see people say, "I'm praying for them, " as an insult

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The Greek Patriarch of Alexandria and the Coptic Pope allow inter-marriages between Egyptian Christians and signed common Christianity.

The Greek Patriarch of Antioch and the Syriac Patriarch of Antioch allow inter-communion and forbid conversions between their churches in the middle east. Also signed common christological agreements.

Catholics, Orthodox, Orientals and Assyrians now agree in Christology since the last century. Kyle is being divisive.

vincenzorutigliano
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I'm coptic orthodox and proud. I have nothing against eastern orthodox individuals. Liturgies are almost identical, many holidays and Saint commemorations are on the same day (old calander) and we have not changed the faith at all. Many saints of both churches were coptic. Also we have many miracles! Our icons Drip holy oil occasionally and Saint Mary appeared in the church of zaiton in the 1960s. Even the Egyptian government tried to debunk this miracle (Muslims) and they could not. If we were heratics why would this happen?.... Having said that happy feast of the cross!

coolpf
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Was Oriental Orthodox before this video, still am 😂

haykavagyan
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wanted to give eastern orthodoxy a chance but after this video i gotta say, thank God im oriental 😂

elia_d_chad
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Misinformation in this video: about icon veneration, about what is said about Ethiopian Orthodox church and its Jewish relations (instead, given the country's historical background, the fact they had Old testaments' faith before the coming of Christ is the truth), ...and of course about the nature of Christ.
The oriental teaching does not say "mixed". "United", yes but not "mixed". "Mixed" implies another being entirely. But "union" implies Without Mingling, Confusion, Alteration or Transmutation.
And literally it is from the fact that God's Word was conceived by the Virgin St. Mary that the theological stance one nature comes from. She gave birth to our Lord Jesus Christ, who is perfectly God and perfectly human but in union we don't say she gave birth to man and God but to an incarnate God. As a result of the unity of both natures (the divine-Logos and the human-inside the the Virgin St. Mary's womb), one nature was formed out of both.

An example to explain the one nature of Christ is written in the book "The nature of Christ" by his holiness Pope Shenouda III (I highly recommend the book) "In the union of iron with fire, the iron is not changed into fire nor fire into iron. Both are united without mingling, confusion or alteration." as the iron is still iron and the fire is still fire.
Another example is of Human nature...do we say two nature of human? But it is true human consists of the body and the soul as one.

meh_de
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I attended my first orthodox service today, and didn't know that they that "coptic" was under oriental. Still It was a very informative visit. I had known about the history and specifics of orthodoxy, but not oriental. I spoke with the priest and he told me about the eastern churches, and while I continue looking around orthodoxy, choose a church where I can feel God in the most. So I'll keep looking but this video does help a lot with insight.

releasethechimp
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my brother, i am glad you make these videos. in greece where i live a lot of people are very liberal and you spread the truth for me.

konstantinoskolokotronis
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This has to be one of the most misinformed videos I’ve seen on this channel - actually bring an OO on the channel to discuss this has so many errors

copticconcept
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An issue I see on both sides of Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy is that there is a minority group within them that believe that by being fervently against the other Orthodox Church is to be super Orthodox and that it shows that they are super believer…however it is actually the opposite. Our Orthodox fathers listened to the world (not of the world) and through the Holy Spirit they spread the Gospel and pressed forward with the mission of the Church with love.

AntoniousG