Theological Determinism - God vs Free Will

Join George and John as they discuss and debate different Philosophical ideas. Today they will be looking into Theological Determinism.

Does the existence of God we do not have free will? If God is all knowing then He can see into the future. If He can see into the future then He can see how an event will turn out before it has happened, meaning it is therefore destined to turn out in one way and one way only.

Does this mean that our actions have been determined before we choose them, and does this eliminate the idea of free will?
Watch as our two favourite Philosophers attempt to answer this question.

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[PhilosophyVibe]

This script is part of...
- The Philosophy Vibe - Free Will vs Determinism eBook, available on Amazon:

- The Philosophy Vibe Paperback Anthology Vol 2 'Metaphysics' available worldwide on Amazon:

[saeedbaig]

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[Osiris]

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[Justcallmallgoat]

The last debate from dude was the best debate of "free will" I heard... BUT it still didn't show that we have Free Willl to make choices outside of Gods way and will.

[BatMite]

I like how the "Westminster Confession of Faith" words it (in chapter 3):

"God from all eternity did by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby neither is God the author of sin; nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures, nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.

"Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass, upon all supposed conditions; yet hath He not decreed any thing because He foresaw it as future, as that which would come to pass, upon such conditions."

[dekhani]

Knowing a variety of different outcomes to a situation will mean God is not sure or uncertain, that means He stops being God because as Sproul says, if God looses control of any element whatsoever, He seizes to be God. Good discussion there. 🙌🏾🙌🏾

[TheKnowledgeMan]

I don't know why nobody has ever thought about this but just the very idea that God created time sort of kinda makes free will impossible. Because remember, all of our actions, choices and thoughts are all part of the past, present and future. And if God created all of time, then he created the past, present and future, and since our choices and everything that we do are part of those 3 timezones, then it was God who chose those actions long before we were born. The reason why God knows the past, present and future is because he created it when he created time

[LinebackerTuba]

Great job guys, but I would love to see another video on this topic addressing where the "will" comes from. This seems an insurmountable problem for libertarian free will.

[omarbataineh]

Also one thing that comes to mind is that God is judging our actions - and the judgment could be eternal damnation - while ensuring that we remain in some state of ignorance. If the stake are eternal you would think he'd make sure to give us all the information. That is if he truly cares for his creatures and is not playing some kind of game

[roybecker]

get better mics and get some relaxed background music. some classical stuff or something. to fill up the akward silence. this channel is great btw. good stuff. I watch many videos

[elizabethalexandrov]

Thank you so much for the lovely video! Have been juggling this problem for years. So nice to hear arguments on either side, it was some great brain food

[philipparker]

Wow. This is exactly the discussion I've been having with one of my best friends for many years now. I choose glasses. ;)

[timothywilliams]

What I love about this line of reasoning is that not only humans don’t have free will but neither can god.

[ronm]

So why won't God just come down from wherever he is and clear up all of this confusion? Why is he hiding from us?

[soccerlife]

I knew that my father would go to drink coffee on Friday. Does that mean I forced him to drink coffee? This argument against free will is already rebutted plenty of times.

[robertjsmith]

To quote the Cosmic Sceptic
"There are only two reasons why anybody does anything 1 is because you want to 2 because you are forced to, where is the freedom in only doing what you want ?

[phillipjackson]

This was a great video but kinda frustrating because I believe in an omniscient God while affirming free will. I am the first person to concede that if God knows the future, then it must work out one way, but that doesn't get rid of free will. Sure, we are not free to fool God's omniscience, but the very reason God knows what will happen is because we are the ones making the choices that He knows about. God's knowledge is not causative. Just because He knows our choices, this doesn't mean He is determining them. We are the ones determining them, and He just knows them infallibly. God's knowledge is like an infallible weather barometer. The barometer predicts what the weather will be like in the future, but the barometer doesn't *cause* the weather to be as it is. The weather just is what it is, and the barometer predicts it in advance. We are free to make real choices and whatever we do, we are always able to do otherwise. We can always pick between the options available to us, but we are just not free to fool God's knowledge of our choices, just as the weather isn't free to fool the barometer. Hope that clears things up!

[yusuf]

So what if God knows what would we do if he didin't know the future and accepts those choices as the all choices we'd make? I mean our lives is in a way still predetermined but still it's determined exactly like if it wasn't predetermined.

[erzatokisaki]

Me: Enjoying the discussions about free will and God
Philosophy Vibe: Well that's all the time we have for today
Me: Uhm wot