Different Types of Determinism

Provisionalists are trying to draw a thin stroke with a wide brush on predestination.

#Natural #theological #astrological

[monkizaki]

Just watched Leighton's video with Ken, twice. He argues that Augustine gave rise to these teachings within the christian church.

[reformedcatholic]

Again Ken is making false claims, once again either he is lying or ignorant.

[nickhanley]

The argument isn’t about the purpose of the elect, it’s about whether or not determinism was found in the early church prior to Augustine. According to Wilson, it wasn’t and Augustine was first the to introduce determinism into the church. We harp on Manechaenism so much because Augustine was a Manechaen. When trying to figure out where the root of Augustines determinism was, we can conclude it is derived from Manichaeism and NOT from Christians prior to him.

[jessetoler]

So, Mani came up with particular redemption and Augustine accepted the doctrine but not the attendant practices...? So, Calvin was gnostic.

[Mike-qtjp]

Here is absolute Biblical proof that God does NOT cause or determine everything; In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it." So, as a Calvinist, do you really believe that God arbitrarily creates some people for one reason; to burn for eternity in hell?

[MrJwright]

James is upset about a simplistic club being created to beat people over the heads with, but by the end he lumps several groups together, calls them all “man centered” and beats you over the head with it.

[rsagape]

Wilson is only speaking about determinism, that is the only aspect that matters to this discussion. James White is just trying to evade the REALITY that calvinism was never part of the early church.

[TheNelsenvideos]

Which is funny. When i listen to you, you group people together haha

[huntsman]

IF I pull some scriptural interpretation and beliefs out of Morminism and then introduce them into the Christian church THEN it came from Morminism. It doesn't matter if they are the exact same or just similar. They came from the Mormons. I don't have to take all Mornmon beliefs either. It isn't rocket science.

[itlupe]

:....fallacious on a level..." Entire books WRITTEN BY MEN making them fallacious from the onset. The Bible is set aside so man can give HIS impression of a letter which means something different. Calvanists make the "dogmatic sfuff" work by writing THEIR ideology INTO God's work. This guy is incredible. Everything he is critiquing he is doing! SMH🤣😂🤣🤣

[EmWarEl]

So much convoluted baloney, so little willingness to throw out any theological concept that can't be demonstrated in the Word of God.

[jeromesmith]

Please debate dying out loud X Pastor Dave Warnock. Jesus 4 life

[Chemike]

I would love to congratulate you on the vast number of boastful things you have said, but my lack of free will does not allow me to.

[travissharon]

You avoid the point. He is talking about the determinist views held by all three groups.

This is very typical of Calvinists and social justice warriors. The international missing of the point made, in order to avoid the statement.

Calvinists, gnostic, manachians, and stoic, were all determinist. That is the only similarity being pointed out by Ken.

Instead you ramble about the differences, but proceed to compare evangelical Christians to Mormons. Mormonism is your theological bat....

[EL_FIN_ESTÁ_CERCA]

*Soli Deo Gloria?* But... Are you sure you're not giving the glory to yourself?

*Calvinist* friend, why did God choose you?
You are smart, you know well that it wasn’t a draw. The idea is just… ridiculous.
Therefore… there is only one logical option left, right?
And your heart knows it very well. God must have seen something special in you.

But there is a BIG problem with that “god” of yours:
It’s *UNBIBLICAL.*
We know that God doesn’t have favorites. He is no respecter of persons. (Romans 2:11).
Therefore, it is *impossible* that God chose you because of something in you. You are not worth a cent more than anyone else. The only reason He did, it's because He knew your response to his call. (Romans 8:29).

Just like you wouldn't go out to the streets to force a woman to be your wife without her consent, Jesus isn't going to do it. (Free will).

"... Many are called, but few *chosen.* "
(Matthew 20:16)

How terrible is that you don't care distorting God's character just so you can feel “special”, better than others, chosen!
Because… let's be reasonable, a “god” who, being able to choose, chose the vast majority of human beings to be destroyed in hell, without any option for salvation, *is not loving, merciful, or good* .
It’s not the God of the Bible.

Therefore, let us be *VERY CAREFUL*, lest while trying to give glory to God, we are found to be liars.
“ *For the heart is wicked and deceitful above all things.* ”
(Jeremiah 17:9).