This Is AMD's Best!

0:00 - Intro

Presenter: Brett Sticklemonster
Videographer: Brett Sticklemonster
Editor: Catlin Stevenson
Thumbnail Designer: Reece Hill

[teardowndan]

Not surprised that console sales are booming when you can buy a whole console for cheaper than most GPUs AMD and Nvidia are pushing hardest.

[SNixD]

I feel like the AM5 sales problems are mostly due to the total platform cost not matching the perceived value of the performance increase. The CPUs by themselves are not super expensive compared to AM4 at launch but when a comparable motherboard is ~30% more expensive and okay RAM is 50% more expensive it suddenly becomes a very different story, especially considering that AM4 is more than good enough for most people.

[dkman]

A lot of people who bought during the pandemic aren't really in the market for an upgrade yet (especially due to the prices they needed to pay at the time). Any new platform is going to have people who don't want to be on the "cutting edge" beta team. People who want to wait for DDR5 prices to come down more. Plus the inflation/depression woes. It's the perfect storm, so any company that says "we're doing peachy" is sus.

[RCWrightX]

I would love for the 7950xt to come within 10% range of the 4090, cost less than $1200, and functions perfectly as a creator card.

[moxlolol]

the 7900XT can be had in the states for a little over $700. That's one of the better values in GPUs right now

[jinushaun]

Ryzen 7000 is struggling because of the switch to AM5, which requires a new expensive motherboard and expensive RAM. Ryzen 5000 was an easy upgrade for AM4 users.

[Brakiri]

One additional reason: Very high mb prices. I have NEVER paid 200 bucks for a mb and I'm in this as a hobby since 1990!

[harrkev]

I actually work in the industry designing silicon. Trust me when I say that chip companies can be put in a tight spot. What if you have a deadline, but the chip isn't quite ready yet. You can ship it with bugs, of you can delay and ship it later, but working. AMD takes crap for shipping chips with issues, and they take crap for shipping late. I know that I would rather have it late than broken.

Yeah, the mobile chips would be nice now, but squishing bugs is HARD. The chips that I work on have about 1/1000 the logic of a modern CPU (the type of chips that I work on typically sell for well under $1). We struggle to get things out. One simple Verilog simulation can take hours for a behavioral model, and days for a gate level simulation. I can't imagine how long simulation of a CPU would take. Yes, they probably mostly simulate one CPU at a time to make it manageable. But to test a CPU can take a LOT of CPU time, so that is a LOT of simulation time. An FPGA simulation platform can help, but those bring their own issues.

So, AMD is in an "can't win" situation with their mobile chips.

[Drvudoo]

Pretty sure the bigger issue for 7000 series was platform cost compared to 5000.

[StolenJoker]

I think one reason Ryzen 7000 series isn’t selling as well is largely because of cost. It’s not an in-place upgrade, so it requires a full platform upgrade - including switching over to DDR5, since there’s no DDR4 support.

Given that the entire platform is new, that early adopter tax is just too high for most people.

Regarding MS and Edge … I’m glad I don’t use Outlook or Teams. There is no reason for them to ignore user preferences, and - IMO - the fact that they think they have to force users to use their own browser by ignoring the users preferences just shows that Edge is garbage. If it was actually good, then word would naturally get out and people would chose to use it.

[rENEGADEJEDI]

As for the 7900 xtx, I consider it a very good GPU. In the nitro + version, it almost always wins with the more expensive 4080, it is quiet and looks great in my pc.

[FneWne]

I think most of AMD's sales report is due to the AM5 platform costing an arm and a leg. I know TONS of people that were excited to move to AM5 but then the motherboards and RAM were priced sky high and people just stuck with last gen. Can't buy the CPU without a motherboard I guess. Then the mining boom ends and GPU's are not getting bought up by the thousands and that makes 2022 vs 2023 look crazy. Prices are slowly coming down. Hopefully they learned a lesson and 7600XT and 7800XT are priced as values. Honestly I am not suprised they are not worried. Previous 3 years they made so much profit, it was sickening. 7900XT would have sold so much better at $750 and I bet they launched at that price. It's a great card now when under $800.

[ericstl]

The 5800x3d killed ryzen 7000 along with the higher prices for motherboards and ddr5 ram.

[evilvash]

I'm more just surprised they are taking this long to release these cards when they are already prepared for 2024 for 8000 series CPU's and GPU's

[inmitch]

I would buy a 7950 if it could even compete with the 4090 as long as it actually sold at sticker price.

[yanxd]

It's an opportunity for AMD especially in gaming GPU segment, GTX users are really looking for an upgrade here, if 7600 XT has a below 250$ MSRP Radeon graphics can get some traction finally.

[ChatGTA]

I’m kinda afraid that the GPU companies will focus more and more on AI and less and less on the gaming market, eventually making so few consumer discrete GPUs that will be so unaffordable for the masses that the market would basically either die or be dominated by lower-tier cards like Intel or Chinese knock-offs

[IrocZIV]

AMD's marketing vs Apple seems fair, they both give meaningless numbers in their slides.

[MrSlm]

I got the RX 7900 XT, back when t was $820, and the xtx was over MSRP. I have no issues with the GPU, it works fine and fit in my budget. A lot of tubers like to crap on it. It's not a bad card at all.

[TheTerrorgasm]

I was starting to consider edge since the feature set and all around its gotten better but hearing them try and force it makes me want to stay with vivaldi.