Toyota's Hydrogen Car Dream is dead - owners sue Toyota

Toyota's Hydrogen Car Dream is dead - owners sue Toyota

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[electricviking]

Hello everyone. This was the video I watched, but there are some other great ones too that show just how difficult it is to own a hydrogen powered car:

Running on empty: surviving a hydrogen-powered road trip

[StuartDapples]

As an age pensioner living on the Gold Coast I appreciate your videos. I’m learning by the day as to what my final vehicle purchase might be. Your style suits me. I’m learning what might be the future for my children and grandchildren will be.

[RudiJock]

I have an acquaintance in Toronto (Canada) who owns a used vehicle dealership. He bought a practically new hydrogen car on auction for $12K(CAD) having no clue about hydrogen other than he hit was the future. He drove it for a couple of days and decided to get it refulled. SHOCK! The closest station was in California. He in turn sold it to a Californian for $6K(CAD). Lesson learned.

[danatool]

The funny part is that everyone that knows anything about it have been saying it for many years now.

[antonio_fosnjar]

Biggest car company in the world thought it had enough power and money to influence the whole market

[nagakk]

I love TOYOTA proclamation,
"EV is dead, Hydrogen is the future"

TOYOTA buried their EV project, and started bad mouthing everything EV.

[gohumberto]

ANYONE who knows anything about logistics, energy, and energy supply knew this was crazy idea .... except at Toyota apparently. They need to fire their chief engineer.
- Producing Hydrogen uses a lot of electricity and is inefficient (so why not just put electricity straight into cars?)
- Using Hydrogen fuel cells basically converts it back to electricity inefficiently (so why not just use electric batteries?)
- Transporting vast quantities of liquid hydrogen daily by road is hugely dangerous and relies on (presumably) millions of diesel-powered trucks.
- Storing Hydrogen is difficult. It's very "leaky" and required the installation of a high-pressure storage facility at every "gas station".
- There's zero option for home charging, so your life involves constant pumping of compressed hydrogen at some cold dirty gas-station.
- Drivers now have to pump highly compressed liquid hydrogen into a big metal tank, right behind their children's' seats (You're scared of EV fires? Wait until you see a Hydrogen fire).
- Who wants to live close to a Hydrogen pumping station? (Because you'll almost certainly have gasoline on site as well Now you just created a bomb site).
It's so impractical at virtually EVERY stage, that it's clearly a non-starter for most applications. Maybe it's OK for big Truck depots, where you can store vast quantities on-site, for your fleet, but to distribute liquid hydrogen to every gas-station in the World is just never going to happen, it can't happen, it isn't happening (don't believe me? go find your local Hydrogen filling point).
- - The sheer beauty of EVs is simplicity. "The best part is no part" and the EV process has very few parts.
In the best case the Sun sends you electricity and you distribute it instantly with cables. It goes directly into EV batteries and turns an electric motor (fundamentally one moving part). You just removed thousands of moving parts and complex engineering logistics from the process.

[KaisiirFlynn]

Toyota fanboys still on denial stage 😂

[simonreeves]

Hi Sam, I’m nearly 60YO, the speculation about hydrogen as a fuel has been running my whole life, along with nuclear fusion energy. Neither has come to anything in 60 years. Both have such fundamental problems that are extremely difficult to solve because they are rooted in the laws of physics. Hydrogen is the smallest element in the universe and is highly reactive, this makes it extremely difficult to contain in a fuel tank, and all the hydrogen on Earth exists in compounds formed with other elements. To use it requires a chemical reaction to release free hydrogen. Unless someone can reinvent the physics of our universe, hydrogen will remain an extremely difficult and expensive fuel source.

[billbell]

I did an analysis about 12 years ago on hydrogen powered cars. I determined even if hydrogen could be created for free it was still not economical. The cost of storing, transporting and dispensing it made it cost prohibitive compared to electricity.

[adamesd]

I remember being told that Hydrogen cars are the future twenty years ago. This was expected to happen by 2040. But in the meantime the EV revolution happened.

[vinniechan]

Japan betted on hydrogen early
Problem with storing energy as hydrogen is converting hydrogen is very inefficient

[mrnicktoyou]

I still remember James May on Top Gear talking about how hydrogen was the future in the 2000s but that didn't make sense to me even back then. Full EV seemed much more sensible.

[Rabs]

James May sold his second Mirai. He knows which way things are heading

[grahamcampbell]

Meanwhile BYD sell 4 million EV’s in 2024!

[glenthegoalsguy]

Hydrogen leaks more easily than any other gas.

[whocareswhoami]

Energy conversion efficiency of hydrogen cars is around 30% and battery EVs is around 94%.

[alanshaw]

I was a VW diehard fan for over 30 years until I bought my first new vehicle, a VW diesel in 2014. Diesel gate. I opted for a buyback instead of the bandaid fix. I then engaged my brain. Now I am a EV driver.

[stopdropnroll]

Toyota will go down as the Kodak of the auto industry

[keithng]

The 134 buyers of Toyota's hydrogen cars are probably employees or substantial shareholders of the company