Are Catholics and Christians the SAME?! REVIEWED by Michael Lofton

Are Catholics and Christians the SAME?! REVIEWED by Michael Lofton


00:00 Introduction
01:25 How to determine what Catholics believe
03:00 Catholics are Christians!
05:11 Do Catholics believe salvation is by works?
13:55 The Catholic view of baptism in relation to salvation
17:00 Was faith alone condemned at the Council of Trent?
27:00 Are the sacraments necessary for salvation?
31:30 Is prayer an act of worship?
33:40 Are Catholics guilty of necromancy?
35:00 Why do Catholics pray to saints?
37:15 The role of Mary in Catholicism?
39:55 The Catholic view of purgatory
45:30 Do Catholics believe Jesus is the only mediator between God and man?
47:00 The Catholic view of confession
53:00 The Catholic vs. Protestant canon of Scripture.

#catholic #theology #debate #protestant #review
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[johnsix.-]

I'd like to start an offensive movement. I'm tired of protestants asking, "Are you Christian or Catholic?" When we answer we should say, "Sorry, I'm not protestant. I'm Christian."

[m]

I've listened to these types of conversations now for about 2 years. They are getting old. The only thing that keeps me listening is that I haven't mastered explaining it as Michael does.

So thank you Michael for hanging in there and doing this work. It's very helpful!

[ToxicallyMasculinelol]

Boy, that was really painful to endure. The comments on that video are even more painful. This kind of thing feels like sitting through a Dan Brown novel sometimes lol. Hard to resist the impulse to say something cruel about the level of sophistication of their arguments, the iconoclasm and the generic conspiracy theories, strained to the breaking point. It's hard to believe this stuff is still making the rounds, after the sheer number of times I've seen these claims systematically dismantled. I know it must be hard for you to endure this stuff too. I barely have the patience to watch it, let alone reiterate the basic facts for the thousandth time. But clearly it needs to be done, again and again, so I really appreciate your doing it. These videos are one of the main reasons I decided to convert. I was an atheist so I can't comment on how useful they are for protestants, but I assume even moreso than for me.

[FullMetalThomist]

I grew up as a Protestant and converted 11 years ago this past Sunday. When I really looked into the assumptions of Protestants I found that they just weren’t logical or justified by history. Coming into the Church has been awesome. I’ve learned so much from the writings of early Christians and great minds like St Jerome and St Aquinas. Thanks Michael, love your calm reason and we’ll thought out arguments.

[nathanieldrain]

It really angers me when these people distinguish "Catholics" from "Christians." I could tolerate the viewpoint that we are all members of the body Christ but with some significant differences. But they go as far to say Catholics aren't even Christians. I don't know how you engage with these people with such patience and poise. Thanks for what you do.

[terrystreets]

Sir thank you SO MUCH. My family and I were all baptized and received into the Church on New Sunday last week, and our extended family is very upset at us. This is one of their favorite preachers to quote!

[TadJohnson]

As a Protestant, this rebuttal was very helpful! 👍🏻

[rustyshackelford]

My brother is a non denominational charismatic who watches this guy all the time

[johnsix.-]

13:00 Thanks for bringing this up. I run into a lot of protestants that bring up this "essential doctrine, " "Primary, Secondary, Tertiary issues." Where does this even come from? The earliest writings that I found are from Calvin that brings up this "primary, secondary" issues. I copied this from the article I found.

"Nay, even in the administration of word and sacraments defects may creep in which ought not to alienate us from its communion. For all the heads of true doctrine are not in the same position. Some are so necessary to be known, that all must hold them to be fixed and undoubted as the proper essentials of religion: for instance, that God is one, that Christ is God, and the Son of God, that our salvation depends on the mercy of God, and the like.

Others, again, which are the subject of controversy among the churches, do not destroy the unity of the faith; for why should it be regarded as a ground of dissension between churches, if one, without any spirit of contention or perverseness in dogmatising, hold that the soul on quitting the body flies to heaven, and another, without venturing to speak positively as to the abode, holds it for certain that it lives with the Lord?"

"Here Calvin starts to exhibit a fatal flaw in Protestant thinking that has perpetually plagued it from the beginning: this notion of “primary” vs. “secondary” doctrines, where the latter are regarded as “up for grabs”, so that Protestants may freely disagree with each other (and other Christians), thus adding a dangerous element of sanctioned doctrinal relativism."

[johnsix.-]

Got my popcorn and I'm ready to hit play. These videos are some of my favorite. They're funny as heck.

[Fasolislithuan]

Those protestant videos full of caricatures and errors make protestantism impossible to take seriously

[GratiaPrima_]

I’ll never understand why Protestants bring out Ephesians 2:8-9 and #1 leave out verse 10 which speaks of works, and #2 act like we haven’t heard it, as if it isn’t exactly why we come to sacraments in faith for saving grace.

[jorsalaheim]

You are shredding through these videos Michael! Good that you bring the fight to the surface level, popular protestant videos.

[killianmiller]

Why do many Protestants cite Ephesians 2:8-9 as though 2:10 isn’t relevant?

[phild]

Perhaps it’s time we start saying that Protestants, on certain points, agree “with us” rather than we agree with them.

[apostolicapologetics]

I would also add the catholic understanding of grace. We believe that grace is also an ontological change in us that elevates us from our natural state to a participation in the divine nature. I think at times some protestants just look at grace as extrinsic divine favor that remains a legal declaration rather than a moral reality. I agree, Michael, I think several terms need to be clarified. What kind of grace? What kind of justification/ sanctification initial or maintaining and increase? What kind of works? I dont think they would want to say "faith apart from all works, such as the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit in us. Any thoughts?

[watariovids]

Is this guy one of those Christianity stopped existomg for 1800 years until this one specific interpretation came about types?

[BETH..._...]

This was quite painful to watch- why was he yelling?! Mr. Lofton was beyond charitable.

[evangarrett]

@Michael excellent response, thanks for providing some desperately needed nuance here. One question: I'm not sure what you meant by purgatory being timeless? Perhaps I'm interpreting your usage of the concept of time in a too restricted philosophical sense. As far as I understand, change of states of affairs may not be a necessary condition for a given situation to count as being *in time* but it certainly is a sufficient condition. And of course purgatory involves change in the direction of justification and holiness. So my assumption would be that purgatory couldn't possibly be timeless. Or did you mean simply very short temporally?

[Saintly]

It is so strange hearing protestants object to the intercession of the saints. The whole "Why not go straight to God" question. Well, why did God himself come down to us, AS one of us? Why does He work through His creation at all? Why does creation exist? These are all the same fundamental question and protestants miss it. Because God delights in us.