Is Pansexuality A Problem? || Bisexuality Vs Pansexuality

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[lgic]

I completely agree with you! I don’t mind pansexual as a label (as it’s just a microlabel), however I don’t like the culture surrounding pansexuality and the implications the label’s history + culture has (i.e. pan is the inclusive bi, bi ppl are transphobic, etc)

[Hollow_Atrocious]

I always took bi to mean you have a preference (like you're attracted to all genders but have a preference for women (for example))
And pan to mean you like all genders and have no preference

Thats how it was always explained to me at least
No weird connotations or anything

[JonathanJimbo]

I agree with your take about it being something that should never (no label should) be pushed onto people, or be seen as something more trans inclusive.

I think it's the opposite, bi is a more inclusive label, pan is much stricter.

Pan to my mind means complete and total "sex and gender blindness from both a biological and cultural perspective".

You can be bi as in, attraction to feminininty only, but divorced from sex / neurological gender identity. That wouldn't be pan though because there's still some element of gender within the attraction.

An example of pan would be attraction instead based on something completely gender abstract like an emotional connection.

[Holyspiritwithinme]

You explaining the bisexual experience is on the nose! I explained this to my straight fiance and he understands the lack of a need essentially for pan, since bi people can lack what they like, id date anyone, my first bf is trans, bi is much easier to explain.
Also i love your work, im a centerist myself.

[Mothcat.]

I feel that it really depends on the person and how they wish to identity. I don’t mind what others say their romantic/sexual identity as long as it isn’t something completely made up such as a sexuality based off a person

[rizeclanfn]

Idc if someone identifies as pan but it's when they try to say that pan is bi but "includes trans people" that I have a problem

[weezarddd__]

you really helped me realize i may just be bisexual!
but damn, the omnisexual flag is so pretty... hnggg

[monoex]

As a bisexual person I don't mind pansexual as a label, however I won't deny I have issues with some of the people in that community due to their blatant biphobia and transphobia, willful or not. I've been targeted a lot online by people identifying as pansexual just for having bisexual in my bios. I'm aware that it's a loud minority that does many of the things you mentioned (differentiating binary trans people from their gender, telling people what they need to identify as, spreading lies about bisexuality, and bi erasure) but in my experience, the pan community does not attempt to discourage that behavior whatsoever. Personally, I'm someone who likes men, women, and non-binary people with no preference. I don't care if someone is trans or not. Because of this, several pansexuals have - without me ever asking for their input - told me that I NEED to stop using bisexual & identify as pansexual. They've tried to tell me what bisexuality is and isn't, often using negative buzzwords to try to "turn" me pan. There's literally a bisexual manifesto that people refuse to read for whatever reason. But overall, I just don't like being told I need to identify differently due to their own stupid stigma. I also don't like being told I'm a bigot because of their misunderstanding of my label. As long as pansexuals understand what bisexuality truly is and don't attempt to "change" peoples' sexualities, we're cool.

[Midnight-fox]

When I was a young teen, I figured out I was bi, and really felt connected to the label. However, I later heard biphobic things that made me scared to identify as bi, such as “bi isn’t inclusive of trans or nonbinary people” or “pan is hearts not parts!! you actually love the person for who they are instead of what’s in their pants!!” It really discouraged teenage me from identifying as bi, and I switched to saying I was pan because I thought I had to. Now, as an adult, I know that all that stuff was false and biphobic, and I returned to identifying as bi since that’s the label that resonates and feels right to me!
While there’s nothing wrong with pansexuality itself, there’s a problem with people using it to put down bisexuals, and that just isn’t okay at all. :( We are mspec siblings we should not be tearing each other down!! But yeah, just wanted to share my thoughts because I have personal experience with this.

[walkingwithdragons]

I just kinda think pan is useless as a whole label, and it's problematic origins, i had seen ppl make pan, ommi, na dpoly into bi descriptors and that honestly makes way more sense to me than anything

[smuwug]

the only reason i don’t use pan as a label is cuz trogs will make cast iron pan jokes over and over and over

[DoodlebugDrawz]

i am still weirded out by the fact some pansexual people like to say that pan is inclusive to trans people when bi can be inclusive to trans people, i just see pansexual as being blind to someones gender and only liking them for their personality, its still kinda a microlabel but its better than saying that bi people dont include trans people when it obviously does
great video kanin! Its always cool to see your opinions on a topic i havent heard about in a long time, i hope you have a good day ^^

[kai-]

For me I use pan for the “gender blind” part. As someone who’s been in pan only areas I will agree that some of them can be very toxic.

[kathellsing]

Can you make a video about bi/pan lesbians? I've heard people talk about it but I never understood it

[Ghul_Tasting]

I find this argument quite interesting as a Pansexual who wasn't aware of this argument. I always thought that Pansexual was where people dated/were attracted to people regardless of their gender, like in my case. And I've also always thought that Bisexual was a sexual orientation that was attracted to females and males, including those who are trans. Anyone else?

[dragoness]

I identify as pansexual because multiple bisexual people either take the term bisexual extremely literally (as in, attracted to only two genders) or do not accept intergender/non-binary gender identities. I even was told to my face by a bisexual person that pansexuals don't exist because "trans and intersex people Don't exist. Non-binary don't exist" (yes that's what he said word for word). I use pansexual to clarify that am attracted to people regardless of gender, and even though I have been attracted to a lot of trans people I don't see my pansexual identity as an excuse to categorize transgender people's genders differently because that is transphobic regardless of your sexual orientation (so yes I do consider people who use the pan label to "include trans identities" as transphobic even if they're not doing that intentionally. Trans and cis has nothing to do with the specific gender you identify as, just the biological relationship of your body with your overall gender identity). I don't care if someone sees me as bisexual, but there are practical and experiential reasons I found the label pansexual more useful, even with its issues.

[leftiealex]

my only experience with this type of argument is my english teacher in high school, upon the topic of conversation of the car guy from my strange addiction, slamming his fist on the desk and exclaiming “THATS WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PANSEXUAL!” and he went on to elaborate that the prefix pan- means any, which according to him, also includes inanimate objects

[Omikel]

For me being pan has nothing to do with the negativity around bi. I am pan because pan means all/every and bi means twice/two. I am not just attracted to nonbinary people and women, men and women, agender and genderfluid people. I’m attracted to all genders, I see people's genders and I respect them and it does not change my attraction to them. I don’t care if someone is attracted to many genders and uses the label bi and not pan. Pan is just the label I feel most comfortable with at the moment because of how I view these two labels.
Therefore I think pan is very much needed to explain that someone is attracted to them regardless of gender.

[serpie]

I’m bi and I absolutely hate how pan people try to push the label on bi people who don’t care about gender. For me personally bisexuality in my case is male and non binary presenting people, more often T4T because that is more comfortable for me as a trans guy. I have been told that since I would date trans people I am actually pan, which seems really fucking weird to me and sounds somewhat transphobic. Like- sorry? Huh? Just say you don’t think trans people are the gender they are, don’t push the label pansexual on me.

[solarshine]

I used to identify as pan (I simply just call myself queer now) and the communities I was in for a long time never educated very well well, not to mention most of it was very problematic... Undertale fandom am I right?
I was always taught bi was attraction to men and women, specifically cis men and women, and pan was all including trans people, I identified as pan because I was just not educated tbh, the hilarious part is that I used bi before I heard my first definition of pan too
I didnt even fit one of the definitions so idk what I was on

My view on sexualities like omni and pan has been "its just bi with extra steps" (especially with omni) but I completely understand people maybe wanted to have smth to quickly say no preferences or something
It's unnecessary but it's not really hurting anyone in general
Apologies if this is a mess, commenting on mobile and proof reading is incredibly frustrating