2022 Honda Civic SI | Is It Enough?

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We review the 2022 Honda Civic SI, put it on the dyno at King Motorsports to find out if this Civic was watered down. This manual transmission-only car promises a lower price and better performance but with trade-offs. Other cars to consider are the VW GTI, Elantra N, Mazda3, Toyota Corolla.

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Index:
0:00 Interior Impressions
2:35 Mechanical Impressions, Price and Feature Debate
6:10 Suspension Argument
8:49 Engine Dyno and Changes
10:38 Driving Impressions
18:41 Final Thoughts
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Bringing Jack on to the channel was such a smart move, in retrospect. Having another well thought out, enthusiast opinion to contrast with Mark's really adds value. Especially when Jack and Mark disagree, and take the time to explain the disagreement.

ahouse
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I took a long look at this car a month ago when I was in the market and - yes it’s great in a lot of ways. ESPECIALLY that shifter and the feeling from it. That said, there is a major thing being left out of this video that impacts this car - and almost all new cars in 2022:

Dealer markup. EVERY dealer I contacted had more than a $5k markup on this. The out-the-door price was usually around $36-38k. At that price, this car is just not worth it. The crazy thing is, all these dealerships are selling them.

In the end I picked up a Mk8 GTI. I got it for $500 under MSRP, after a lot of negotiating and I love it. The infotainment needs work, but it’s not the crazy deal breaker all the reviewers say it is. There are a lot of shortcuts baked into it that weren’t covered in any review I saw.

I loved the Civics of the past and I contend that Honda makes the best manuals on the market, bar none. But until this market gets under control and this car is actually being sold for MSRP or less, then it’s just not an option.

tantheman
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Mark, Jack, I just gotta say that in the past 2 years I've watched you, your channel quality has easily doubled in my opinion. Your sense of humor is unique and I'm sure doesn't fit everyone's taste, but you provide a great perspective on the daily econoboxes and a fun twist on the performance cars that not everyone does.
Sadly, the "clickbitiness" of YouTube (and lack of your "clickbaitiness, " which I appreciate) is why you don't have the 1M subs you badly deserve. :(

richardnavratil
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Nobody in Youtube analyzes the cars as good as you do. You talk about the most relevant issues about the cars. This is another great review. It helps me a lot because I am thinking to buy the sport touring or the SI. Thank you guys

victorcastrellon
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I feel right in saying this generation makes me like the Civic as someone who's never owned one

jonahjett
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Hard for me to stomach the ~$3000 jump in baseline price considering the features that this loses that the previous generation had. Looks great, but we really needed the Canadian-spec car for this price in the states, IMO.

NoBettaFeta
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I love when Mark and Jack argue. Just makes me howl. Get that walker Jack.

kevinc
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The thing about the new Si in the US is that you're even losing features that you had in the last generation. You lose heated seats, fog lights, the digital dash, and I believe dual zone climate control from the last generation.

kevinnorris
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I have to agree with Mark the savage geese himself here. The other options might wow you with numbers but this si would be far more enjoyable on a daily basis. It’s Honda giving the enthusiasts a great engineered car at an affordable price

JikkyoLB
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The added features for us here in Canada is a way of Honda saying thank you for making the Civic the top selling CAR in Canada for the last 23 years.

scottburke
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I'm really enjoying the hybrid presenter format. And really nice to see how far Jack and come from his first videos.

Now get back to reviewing more piles!

SneakySquidSounds
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I think this is a big step forward for auto makers. A bigger split in price between trim levels is awesome for people who value mechanical components and not the latest tech features.

shadowsocks
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What a great debate and video. This segment is truly one of the most difficult to survive in but I feel like this is truly a strong competitor. It’s the most inexpensive and it does everything good. I personally chose the Elantra N, but I still see the value in the Civic Si

Shawn
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I think Honda's done a good job here by providing a great daily driver with enough fun added at an affordable price.
I had an 8th gen Si sedan which served me well though I eventually upgraded to a mk.6 GTI which offered a more substantial, quieter drive for a bit more $.
In the end, it all depends on your priorities.

toddstevens
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The Si is the fun commute car - owned a 10th gen Si for 4 years and its easily the best daily civic Honda ever made at the time (2017) The chassis rigidity and geometry are leaps and bounds better than previous gens - when I fully turned off the nannies on the Si it would rotate/4 wheel drift in tight hairpins ....controlable yaw....it was softer than my FA5 Si on koni yellows/neuspeed race springs but soaked up road harshness better and was still willing to play.
It impressed me so much that I bought a Type R before they stopped making them....all the attributes the Si had but on steroids. More revs, more power. more grip. more yaw, better seats, better shifter, better aero, better brakes ....the chassis had so much potential Honda easily made a next level car with basically the same chassis.

At 27k its below the avg price of a new car by about 8k making it an economical choice....if you drive it like I did (22mpg avg) you probably want more power lol

They carried over alot of 10th gen R parts for this new car so its probably even closer to my R than my 10th gen Si. Thats a great thing.

While the VW may have a touch more power out of the box their engines gunk up with carbon pretty quickly and their valvetrain is known to have issues.


The Honda will be the more reliable choice in the end and hold its value longer given demand for it.
Remember out of 330k civics sold per 15, 000 are Si type Rs

These lower volume civics hold their value as demand is consistent for them as long as the car runs and even as long as it isnt wrecked in some cases.

Ill have to drive one to see how the new chassis feels but it should be a solid canvas for kids who can grow into it and modify it as their budget allows - over 5 or 6 years of ownership 400+hp is easily attained or the itch for an R is started

TheFKLife
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I got a call from my local Honda dealer, I've bought 2 Civics(Touring, Si) from them in the last 5 years. It was Jack, he goes by Sales-Jack(I'm not joking). Sales-Jack says "Eric, we've got 4 Si's in our inventory I thought you might want to give one a test drive". I replied "I see, do you have the color I want?". He quickly replied, "I've got two Rallye Reds, one Sonic Gray Pearl, and one Blue". I said "Aegean Blue Metallic?". There was a pause, he said "Yes Eric, I've got 1 Aegean Blue Metallic in stock". I said "great, what about the Savagegeese video?". A long pause this time, Sales-Jack finally blurts out "Eric, I promise you this Si is the best Si ever, interior, exterior, engine torque, you name it this Si's got it, you won't even notice loud road noise, I guarantee it!" I said "Alright SJ, I'm gonna take your word for it, I'l be right down. Also, I hope to God I'll be test driving the Aegean Blue instead of some Ralleye Red". I quickly hung up the phone before he had a chance to reply. I grabbed my jacket and hopped in my Touring and darted up to the Honda lot. Upon entering the sales lobby I immediately yelled out "Where the hell is Sales-Jack up in this bitch!" The whole lobby went deadly silent..so silent you could hear a pin drop, everybody I looked at quickly averted their eyes. Finally, in what seemed like an eternity I saw a hand go up, and then a man meekly peek out above his cubicle wall. It was Sales-Jack. I said "alright SJ, you got me here now it's time you deliver on your promise". Sales-Jack seemed to maintain his composure, he walked around the numerous cubicles and came within 5 steps of my Florsheim's. We locked eyes, he didn't blink. I slowly..very slowly.. walked 4 steps towards him until we were nose to nose. I said "SJ, I'm just letting you know, if this Si has loud road noise, we're gonna have a problem". Sales-Jack throat tightened, he took a big gulp and squeaked out "I understand Eric, I'm ready to ride when YOU SAY you're ready". I stared at his cobalt eyes and said "SJ, I'm ready right the fwuck NOW!". Sure enough, Sales-Jack delivered on his promise to test drive the Aegean Blue. I told him to hold on to the FOB as I slid into the driver's seat. He guided me around the neighborhood and after he directed me a few turns I just raised my right hand and said "No more of this namby-pamby crap I'm taking this out on the highway. He didn't say one word. Within a few minutes we were on the 70 and I was flying at over 80 MPH. Still, SJ didn't say anything, I think he knew. After 5 miles I took the off ramp and turned around and back on the same highway back to the dealer lot. I parked the Si, we walked back into the lobby, more silence. Finally, an assistant manager had the balls to come up to me and ask "Eric, you've driven the 11th generation Civic Si, are you satisfied? ready to negotiate a deal? I didn't reply right away. I took one long, long look around the deadly quiet sales lobby. No one had the guts to even look at me. I said "Partner, we've got a problem, A BIG PROBLEM" Both the manager and Sales-Jack turned white as a ghost, speechless. I finally decided to break the silence and said "You two know what I'm thinking?" They didn't reply right away, they just stared at each other hoping the other one would pipe up. After what seemed like an eternity, Sales-Jack built up the courage and squeaked out one word "Mazda?" I just said "Yep", turned around and walked out as the whole lobby erupted in applause. The End.

erichaynes
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I love it when you two don't see eye to eye on something and you get into a passionate, friendly debate. So invigorating compared to other channels where they phone in the same format week to week. It's also great for learning because y'all really get into it and raise good points.

Alias
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I'm a 50+ year old dad who just bought the 2023 Civic SI in Canada. I spent 3.5 years with a 2019 2.0T Accord manual, and I was ready to stop driving manual. I loved that 2.0T motor and steering, but despised the abrupt clutch, brakes, and jumpy ride. It felt like I was driving a video game. I turned down the 2019 SI due to potential oil dilution issues and lame-ass styling. I love my '23 SI. I gotta agree with Mark about the suspension....It's awesome. I love the conservative styling with a few red highlights, the seats, the clutch, transmission, and how easy it is to drive with or without the rev matching. I just have to take out that damn artificial engine noise and it's perfect. The Accord was a one wheel peel, especially in the snow. The LSD in the SI makes it much better in inclement weather. Great review.

ee
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The shifter looks almost exactly like the one in the 2014 Acura ILX manual I had for a couple years. The shift knob felt sleek but upscale, and the shifting was very smooth. Probably the best feel of any car I’ve had, and in par with my ND1 Miata.

timothycoyne
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Excellent point about damping changes in cold weather. I had a track prepped STi with KW V3’s. In summer, the ride on the road was acceptable, on track wonderful. In deep winter, the ride became unbearable, especially as the roads got torn up. Made me appreciate that a great winter car is never the same as a great summer car and certainly not a track car. Oil just gets much more viscous at low temps. If u have little damping, u may not notice a temp change, but performance cars with real damping will vary much more with temperature.

gregtoth