Discussing With Trent Horn On The Plan Of Salvation | Catholic and Church of Christ

Trent Horn argues for the Catholic plan of salvation. What is the plan of salvation? Is baptism part of the plan of salvation? Discussing doctrines of the Church of Christ and Catholic Church! Is the Catholic plan of salvation MISUNDERSTOOD?

@TheCounselofTrent

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[mrhumble]

Awesome to let Trent articulate that, there are obviously unique areas of agreement that we don't share with protestants, but unique areas of complete disagreement as well. Trent talks a lot about "Early Church" I would like to know what range of history he extends that out to, I.e., 300 AD +, 500 AD +, I find that phrase becomes one of convenience to be redefined as one sees fit, 100 years a long time for things to change. The fact that his early church story involved church bells suggests we are a few centuries on after Christ. I always like to know the specific date, and place (as regional differences can make quite a significant, e.g. East, west?). Interestingly, John Chrysostom's Christian mother didn't baptize her children intentionally, he grew up in a Christian household but recieved baptism later in life. He repudiated this view in his later career, but it shows the practice of not baptizing infants was still prevalent in some areas up into the late 4th century. The fact that he repudiated it shows that it was worthy of mention as well. I.e., enough people were practicing it. Late 4th century is hardly early church.

[BeLikeChrist]

This is interesting. I've watched Trent on Pints with Aquinas

[waynebland]

First, I agree we can lose/forsake our salvation. But Trent misquotes James 3:2 about “small mistakes.” Here’s what the verse says:
“For all of us fall short in many ways. Anyone who never makes a mistake in speech has reached perfection and is able to control every part of his body.” (NCB)
“We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.” (NIV)
“For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to rein in the whole body as well.” (NASB)
So, James doesn’t say there are small or grave sins.