Film Theory: Venom's SECRET Weapon! (Venom vs Carnage)

Listen, we've been waiting to see Venom fight Carnage in Venom 2: LEt There Be Carnage since that post credit scene and it is FINALLY time! Of course, that means I need to try and predict who will WIN. Most of you likely assume you know that answer already. It's Venom. You know, the "hero" of our story. Yet, WHY will he win? What does Venom have over Carnage, besides plot armor? Theorist, it goes a whole lot deeper!

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Credits:
Writer: Matthew Patrick and Zach Stewart  
Editor: Alex "Sedge" Sedgwick and Tyler Mascola
Assistant Editor: Caitie Turner (viridianrosette)
Sound Editor: Yosi Berman

[vanisa_ray]

A little detail I noticed: If you notice carefully, Venom actually gets on Eddie's body like an exoskeleton, sort of like Iron Man's nanotech suit. However, Carnage literally tears apart Cletus' body when he takes control over stuff. This shows that Venom actually has respect for its host while Carnage is just a mindless rogue symbiote, not even caring about its host.

[withinternetaccess]

Fun fact(or not so “fun”): The reason why venom was so scared of carnage was bc any offspring that the klyntar race/symbiotes have are always stronger physically

[Ozarka]

What's truly mindblowing is that this is exactly how Eddie and Venom won. They worked together while Cletus and Carnage did not.

[Thetravelingmonke]

Fun fact: venom actually has the strongest ability out of all the klyntar and it’s plot armor

[Tatolus]

"How did you beat Carnage?"
"We gave him Lukimeia"
"...oh"

[scrillthebeast]

About how venom eats, I am guessing he actually breaks down everything to the molecular level in a few seconds and then absorbs it.

[TimeBucks]

this series is about the power of friendship

[Za_Huncho]

In the comics, Carnage was so unique because Cassidy and Carnage both loved to murder and cause havoc. They had either the deepest or second deeoest symbiote bond in the comics. In the movie they were just a guy inside an alien. In the comics they were one. While I agree venom would win, just not the cheesy way they did in the movie.

[gargamancula]

MatPat: "Because it wasn't officially in the MCU, yet"
Doctor Strange: "Be careful what you wish for Mat"

[iamsam]

Well guys, it turns out that Venom and Carnage were both weak to sound after all, but Venom had one power that Carnage didn’t have! The power of an ex wife and her new fiancé.🥰

[matthewchristeson]

That's the one critical flaw made in Venom 2: Carnage is separate from Cassidy. Throughout his entire history, Cassidy and the Carnage symbiote bonded deeper than any other and it was shown by him referring to himself as "I" as opposed to "we." But in the movie, Cassidy and the symbiote are still separate the entire time and it becomes a plot point so Venom can win.

[checkersbischoff]

I like how Mat explored the psychological aspect. Because in the movie it does come down to the fact that Venom and Eddie have a mental bond, meanwhile Carnage and Cletus were constantly fighting with each other in that final battle

[theplaylab]

So afaik, the symbiotes can blend with their host more than the movie lets on. Carnage-type symbiotes are basically indistinguishable from their hosts, which is why Carnage can form holes in Cassidy's torso without killing him or paralyzing him.

[Nightpacer]

An interesting aspect of the symbiote is that each time it spawns offspring, it's designed to create a stronger symbiote than the previous. So each new offspring SHOULD in theory be stronger than the "parent" symbiote.

[shivvers.]

Also, yes, the symbiotes do mimic the hosts mindset. That's why carnage is into destruction, while Venom can be easily controlled and used for good

[gavins]

I still find it mind blowing how Mat predicted that the Venom movies would become canon in the MCU 2 months prior to the release of No Way Home.

[badman]

When Venom takes on another host it also takes on a different kind of personality depending on the host. When Carnage takes on another host he pretty much changes them into Cletus.

[brutelc]

Is it just me or has mattpat become extremely comfortable talking to his audience? Ive been watching for a very long time now on all 3 channels and his old video game theory voice is like flipping a coin different. Well done mattpat

[TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

What's mind blowing is the fact that real world science actually applies to comic book characters like them.

[KalijahAnderson]

In the comics, they covered what a symbiote/klyntar is as far as the ability to eat nearly anything instantly. They are connected to the physical realm via a skin, that you see, but their mass is in the 4th dimension. He doesn't actually exist inside Eddie unless he needs to heal Eddie.