5 Reasons You Should buy an HDD Instead of NVMe! feat. Seagate Ironwolf Pro & Exos

DON'T buy an NVMe -here's reasons why perhaps you should consider HDD.

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Video produced by Lauri Pesur
Edited by Sam Ruddick
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0:00 Intro
1:09 Reason 1
1:50 Reason 2
4:00 2.1 example in a workflow
4:49 Reason 3
5:38 Reason 4
6:37 Reason 5
7:20 Speed of HDDs
8:15 Tip 1
9:38 Tip 2
10:52 EXOS vs Ironwolf Pro -Which is better?
13:37 Pro vs NON pro!
14:05 NASCompares - SSD or HDD for $1000?

[sonjaudiovisuel]

I always use HDD for backup and longtime storage !

[coisasnatv]

I use HDD's since the 90's, all my backups are stored in HDD's from the 90's and I also have backups of those HDD's in new HDD's drivers. My oldest hard drive is from 1994 and the newest is from 2015, they all still work.
I don't care about NVMe or SSDs, all my main computers runs in RAID-0.

[yumeNdengon]

Quick correction before watching the rest of the video: HDDs *do* have a TBW rating. Or rather a DWPD, except it's annualized. Granted it's rarely (if ever) mentioned for low-end or midrange consumer drives, but it's in the spec sheet of Exos and IronWorlf Pro drives for sure (basically server and enterprise class models). If memory serves, older models are rated for 300TB/y, newer models get 550TB/y, and it's generally the same values for Seagate and HGST/WD drives. So if you want to stick to specs, you actually _can't_ write to them 24/7/365 @250MB/s because you're well past the annual workload they're rated for (and you couldn't do it anyway because that speed is _not_ the average speed when you fill the entire drive, which is lower).

That being said, it's true HDDs don't have an actual, absolute TBW limit, contrary to NVMe drives. But then again, the TBW ratings of NVMe drives, aside from being generally so high that it's virtually infinite for all intents and purposes, rarely is an actual, hard limit (i.e. the drive will function just fine way longer than its rated TBW).

[ianemery]

Every single Seagate drive I have ever owned - going back to Win95; died within 5 years; and one that failed after 6 months, Seagate failed to replace under warranty, despite my getting an authorised RMA for it.

Seagate will never get my business again.

As for size; I just bought a 6 bay NVME NAS that is only slightly larger than 2 HDDs; it is perfect for home use, storing films and music to pipe around the house, with no worries about bouncy wooden floorboards causing heads to crash.

[dough.]

Seagate? No thanks. I’ve encountered too many Seagate HDD failures and expended too many hours recovering from them over the decades to allow me to ever overcome the negative vibe (even if some of their newer drives have improved in reliability).

[Rabahdu]

Correction: raid 1 is only for copying and redundancy. It is raid 0 that allows fast writing and reading because it writes at the same time on both disks and it distributes data

[VTOLfreak]

Best intro on this entire channel. F***ing hilarious. But I do need to correct you on one point: HDD's do have a rated workload limit, check the spec sheet.

For both the Ironwolf Pro 24TB and Exos X24 24TB it's 550TB/year. Considering they come with a 5 year warranty, the expected lifetime is 2750TB. And this covers both read and write operations on HDD's unlike SSD's where only write operations are counted. If you really hammer these HDD's with 24TB a day like you mention in your video, from a reliability point they will be considered end of life after just 4 months. Many do last way beyond that as it's not the storage medium that degrades like with SSD's. But the mechanical moving parts like the actuator arm and heads do have a limited life span.

[MeepMeep]

There's only 1 main reason to get hdd over ssd. Larger capacity and/or cheaper

[John_the_baptized]

Alright that intro got me in tears over here. That was beautiful

[EbonKim]

Only advantage of a HDD is space. If you're using a drive for storage, and not writing from it, but using it a lot for reads, then the NVMe will last for decades, whereas the HDD won't last even half that long. Even if the NVMe's write gets filled, you can still read from it. I have had no NVMe's go bad, but some SATA SSD'S have gone bad, especially from certain manufacturers, and many more HDD's have gone bad.

[gdesign]

Back With The Intros 😂🔥 HDD for longterm backups💯

[johnjlopez]

A raid mirror (Raid 1) does not double the speed. It doubles the data as a backup. If anything it's slower since it needs to write the same data to 2 drives simultaneously. A striped raid (raid 0) would increase the speed and data bandwidth but if either drive fails you lose all the data. If you need both performance and data reliability, you may want to go either raid 5 or 10.

[ColinDyckes]

A key point to bear in mind: Exos drives are supplied in bulk to OEMs and SIs and can't be warranted direct with Seagate but you must rely on the supplier. IronWolf Pro are classed as consumer drives and are warranted for 5 years direct by Seagate. I have both, but have just bought 5 new 16TB IronWolf Pros for a new Synology 1522Plus in RAID6. I've found both types extremely reliable.

[studydude]

HDDs are so needed and useful, Not all data access has to be NVME speed. The best use is a balance, I run (2) large HDDs paired with NVME and SSD allocating data to needed speeds of drives, For Ex, all my games are loaded on My SSDs and some on the NVME, while I have vast archives of data on the HDDs. It just works out. I will always have HDDs in my PC.

[TazzSmk]

HDDs with such high capacity take very long time (days) to rebuild RAIDs, and also their speed drops a lot (up to 10x) once drives become filled and data fragmented,

[rangersmith]

Nice ad. The cost per TB of these enormous drives is actually not great; you do better in the 8TB - 12 TB range. Besides, I will never need a 24TB HDD. My own archive machine, built several years ago, has the redundancy of six 3TB HDDs, really small by 2024 standards. They're all WD Reds (CMR, not SMR). I will have to buy bigger ones soon, probably another batch of WD Reds, but this time in the 8TB capacity.

[bernards]

Please note: MTBF is not a promise or general expectation of effective life before a failure. MTBF is a calculation only based on the components ratings and the stress environment where the module is installed. It is not uncommon to have some kind of failure at 10-20% of the MTBF calculation with previous generation HDD's with MTBF's of 150k to 250k hours.. That is why there are many internal surveillance factors under SMART that are embedded in the HDD firmware. These would not be necessary if the MTFB was really a dependable value. Also, I think each system should be powered with a UPS. Nevertheless, for very large storage, this was an interesting video.

[wolfwilkopter]

In terms of price vs. capacity and also for long time storage, especially without power, there is still nothing better than a good HDD.
And the latest NT001 and NT002 Series Ironwolf Pro are awesome, pretty quiet, very fast for HDDs and up to 24TB are a solid statement, not to mention the Data Rescue support for 3 years.
I'm running 2 of them a 20TB NT001 and a slightly older (3-4years) 12TB model and i cant complain.
Planning for a NAS/Home Server i will surely go with some NT001/2 models.

[xovastudio]

Until you start hearing that hdd clicking sound. That's when you know a near death experience.

[MrAlhaines]

I have two Pcie to m.2 with 1TB each. Your needs may differ. I use the drives as 1) Mint 22 boot drive 2) home 3) Debian 12 boot drive. I also have a 5TB HDD for TV shows and a 10 TB External for complete backup of E-Books; DVDs; music CDs and several backups.