Jordan Peterson: Where Carl Jung was Wrong!

Jordan Peterson frequently draws on the insights of psychologist Carl Jung be it on psychology and on mythology. But on which views of Jung does Peterson disagree? This was part of his Q&A 05-01-2021.

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[mrchoon]

To those questions at the end, 10 years ago, the answers would have been "no, no, no, no" I'm genuinely surprised by how many of those questions I can answer "yes" to, today. This man saved my life, and, for that, I'm eternally grateful.

[blzz]

Reading the red book currently and it’s been a trip. His thoughts are so complex that I often have to take breaks, go back to the book and reread an entire chapter. And I find that there are layers of meaning one can derive from his work.

“You must know one thing above all: a succession of words does not have only one meaning. But men strive to assign only a single meaning to a sequence of words, in order to have an unambiguous language. [..] Mankind is a slave to his own words. Words should not become Gods.”
- Carl Jung, The Red Book - Chapter IV: the Anchorite (day 1)

[AscendingOne]

I think Jung was, as mentioned, an archaeologist of the psyche (very intelligent remark). If you do his work in a sacred context, it will reveal treasures to you and heal you.

[ProfEmerita]

As a professor emerita, I respect JP’s logic and discipline. As a psychotherapist, parent, and an INFJ, Carl Jung’s work has enlightened me the most.

[denniswinters]

Every time Jordan Peterson quotes Jung, in the back of my mind I hear Jung muttering, " God defend me from my friends - my enemies I can deal with myself " !

[lulumoon]

Cannot imagine my life without Jung's exploration and explication of the interior world, and subsequent impact on so many disciplines and people! 🙏😎

[marco]

The title is misleading. J.P. talk about the limitations of Jung Psychology, and not anything wrong at all!

[pc]

One doesn't simply point out that Jung is wrong!

[mayatrash]

I actually think that exactly that’s the reason why Jung was right. People living „external lives“ like Peterson calls it never get to the point of self Individuation in Jungs sense. That’s actually funny since it is related to today’s climate: In COVID-19 Lockdowns most people were somehow suffering. But the people most suffering on an interpersonal way were the external „carrier“ type guys who never thought of themselves in a sense a highly „creative“ self critical person would do about the often arbitrary structure of the own ego, morals and values.

They work since being pragmatic is the best thing they can do and it’s a comfortable ground state for them. But that’s as far from self Individuation as you can be.

[joschmoyo]

If I had the choice of Peterson or Jung for a councillor I would take Jung. Jordan has done a great deal to bring Jung back in to the wider world and that's marvellous, but Jung has a capacity to engage the patient student with a road map to living that is vital because it is subtle.

[samuelpoulston]

Although Jung may have never explicitly noted what JP talks about in terms of neuroticism (ie the tendency to be able to resist negative emotion), I believe that he implied it in his theraputic instructions:

"one can never be too sure that the weak state of the
patient’s conscious mind will prove equal to the subsequent assault of the
unconscious. In fact, one must go on supporting his conscious (or, as Freud
thinks, “repressive”) attitude until the patient can let the “repressed”
contents rise up spontaneously. Should there by any chance be a latent
psychosis which cannot be detected beforehand, this cautious procedure
may prevent the devastating invasion of the unconscious or at least catch it
in time."

[uNeedsomeadvice]

Jung was rushing. He rushed because he was the only one doing all the heavy lifting within his psychology. And he needed to prove something.

If you had to create a new psychology, do you move down a path that shows evidence at a faster pace???

Or

Do you go down a path that may show evidence but you need more time?

Jung needed more time and more modern science. But I will say this, Jung, over time, will prove himself.

[LifeOfMasson]

I love how he says this all with a slightly discomfort expression on his face.

[Martinus]

I would say that in „Psychological Types” Jung recognises this, comparing his psychology to that of Adler’s and Freud’s, saying the differences in theories come from personal psychology.

[kernalfleak]

So basically he takes jungs own criticism of himself and tries to make it sound like he figured it out. Jung himself said the first half of his life was introverted and then came the more extroverted part of his life where he participated in society, marriage, and all sorts of social things. Carl jung was able to look at his weakness and know how to fix it.

[AndyJarman]

Because something has limitations does not mean it is wrong. The title to this video is disongenuous and does a great diservice to Dr Jung's work.

[liminalsoup]

Psychopaths have very very low Neurotism, they dont experience negative emotion at all. And yet, psychopaths are worst kind of mentally ill.

[ewallt]

The statement that the tendency to highly experience negative emotions seems lie at the heart of psychopathology I found interesting. I think of it more in terms of whole object relations. Perhaps he understands the former impacts the latter.

[qualitydag]

Peace Pilgrim said that one can have a very common job or profession as one of their life's calling. I think that she felt that using the calling to be of service would make a big difference in finding inner peace. She also said that relationships such as in a family would be a great way to learn and grow together, learning about sharing, working to be of service with each other etc...

[Magik]

To the degree one is "integrated" with our sick society, which is accelerating towards near term extinction, is the extent to which one is mentally ill and unevolved spiritually. Jung was a highly evolved individual. Highly evolved people tend to be introverts and gravitate towards spirituality and psychology and the inner life in general. Jung was well aware of and wrote extensively about extroverts and their fascination with shallow, outer things. Jung mapped the 4 functions of consciousness meticulously and gave equal credence and attention to extroverts and sensates.